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Not only that, but there's no evidence at all that Tik Tok's been feeding China any data. None.

Whereas we have proof and evidence that US agencies can access data about citizens from anywhere else in the world without even needing a court order.

Everybody forgot already US spying on Merkel's phone?

But that's okay, because America is not bound to any rules I guess. Disgusting foreign policy with a disgusting exceptionalism mentality.

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afavour 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> there's no evidence at all that Tik Tok's been feeding China any data.

Because China's political system applies absolutely no pressure for transparency.

> Whereas we have proof and evidence that US agencies can access data about citizens from anywhere else in the world without even needing a court order.

Something we know about because the US political system has levers that can be pulled to apply pressure for transparency.

You'd have to be very naive not to think that the Chinese government has an interest in controlling what US users of TikTok see. Whether they actually have or not is a somewhat useless question because we'll never know definitively, and even if they haven't today there's nothing saying they won't tomorrow.

We can say that they have both the motive and capability to do so.

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epolanski 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> You'd have to be very naive not to think that the Chinese government has an interest in controlling what US users of TikTok see.

Just because something has been repeated in the news 20000 times, it doesn't make it true without evidence. Speculation is just it: speculation.

As far as I've seen, it's not Chinese company spying on me, it's US ones, it's not Chinese companies hacking Wifis in all major airports to track regular citizens, it's US ones, it's not Chinese intelligence spying on European politicians, it's US ones, it's not Chinese diplomacy drawing the line between rebels/protesters, good or bad geopolitically, it's always Washington, it's not Chinese intelligence we know of hacking major European infrastructure and bypassing SCADA, it's US one.

The elephant in the room is US' fixation for exceptionalism and being self authorized to do whatever it pleases while at the same time making up geopolitical enemies and forcing everybody to follow.

I don't buy it, I'm sorry. I don't particularly like the Chinese system, I don't particularly love their censorship, and I don't particularly like their socials on our ground when our ones are unable to operate there (unless they abide to Chinese laws, which are restricting and demand user data non stop, something they are very willing to do in US though).

My beef is with American's exceptionalism and with the average American Joe who cannot see the dangers posed by the foreign policy of its own country. The US should set the example and then pretend the same, instead it does worse than everybody and cries that only it can. It's dangerous.

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monocasa 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Something we know about because the US political system has levers that can be pulled to apply pressure for transparency.

We know most of it because of whistleblower leaks.

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afavour 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Otherwise known as a lever within the US political system that allows for transparency.

No free press, no whistleblowers.

	▲	monocasa 11 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I'm mainly thinking of Snowden, who wasn't afforded whistleblower protections, and who mainly distributed through foreign media like Der Spiegel and The Guardian.

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stale2002 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Not only that, but there's no evidence at all that Tik Tok's been feeding China any data. None.

Yes there has been. TikTok admitted to it. They were tracking journalists.

This is not a mere accusation. Instead the company admitted to it.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/22/tiktok-by...