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rewgs a day ago

Insurance should not be for profit, and things like e.g. State Farm suddenly cancelling people's renters/fire insurance just two weeks before the fires (I am one of those people) are what people hate about insurance. No one is arguing that insurance is bad at risk assessment, but rather how they wield their proficiency with it.

BobAliceInATree 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

State Farm is a mutual insurance company, so it's owned by its policy holders. It's not quite non-profit, but it's in the same ballpark. I've gotten money back from State Farm one year when they (we, I guess) made too much money.

umanwizard a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why does State Farm in particular have a moral obligation to insure you against fire if it’s not profitable for them to do so?

To pick random examples of unrelated companies, McDonalds or SpaceX would also refuse to insure you against fire. Why should people hate State Farm for this reason, but not McDonalds or SpaceX?

If State Farm didn’t exist and the state ran insurance instead, and were willing to insure all comers, they’d be subsidizing people who can’t be insured profitably. That’s not crazy on its face (the state subsidizes lots of different things), but it’s at least worth asking why we should be paying for people to live in high-fire-risk areas rather than any number of other things the state could be spending those resources on.

snacksmcgee 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

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umanwizard 18 hours ago | parent [-]

Why?

rewgs a day ago | parent | prev [-]

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hnburnsy a day ago | parent | next [-]

>They don't, but they have the courtesy of giving myself and thousands of others a proper heads up. Perhaps any heads up? They quite literally just dropped me, no email, no letter, no nothing. This type of thing should be given 3 months minimum.

No way that happened, the state would not allow it.

https://ktla.com/news/california/state-farm-to-non-renew-720...

>It’s important to note that nonrenewal is not canceling. Customers affected by the decision will retain coverage until their current contract is up. The company said those impacted will be notified between July 3 and Aug. 20.

rewgs a day ago | parent [-]

I can assure you that I received nothing of the sort. In fact, I only found out because I called about transferring my policy to a new house. And yes, I read all email/snail mail sent by them. I was given zero heads up.

umanwizard a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> To answer your utterly moronic question

I don’t think it was moronic at all; the point is to get to the bottom of what assumptions and axioms you’re using. What is the moral framework according to which you claim State Farm has wronged you. Only then can we judge whether your claim is in fact correct.

> because they aren't in the business of insurance

So, if I understand your implicit argument correctly, it seems to be that anyone who sells a product be forced to sell it to anyone, no matter how costly it is to them.

There’s no McDonalds in Barrow, Alaska, presumably because running a McDonalds there would be prohibitively expensive. Is that immoral? Should they have an obligation to open a store there?

rewgs a day ago | parent [-]

> So, if I understand your implicit argument correctly, it seems to be that anyone who sells a product be forced to sell it to anyone, no matter how costly it is to them.

That is clearly, clearly not my argument, but I have a feeling that you're one of those bad faith "and yet you participate in society, curious!" guys, so I'm done here.

epistasis 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you only had two weeks notification, you should file a complaint with the commissioner here:

https://www.insurance.ca.gov/01-consumers/101-help/index.cfm

It's likely that you are not alone, but I've not heard of anybody not getting notification, despite a lot of people not getting renewed.

rewgs 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Thank you, will do.

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hnburnsy a day ago | parent | prev [-]

State Farm notified its customers in August of its non-renewal (not cancelling) of policies, plenty of time for homeowners to get new policies or fall back to the state fund.

And what is fire insurance? Is that something unique to CA?