| ▲ | adamredwoods 8 days ago |
| If diet could stop cancer, we'd be done by now. I guarantee every cancer will mutate to overcome any change in diet you can throw at it. |
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| ▲ | stickfigure 8 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| All cancer treatments are probabilistic. There are no cures, just interventions that increase survival rates. There are no honest sentences that begin with "every cancer". |
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| ▲ | adamredwoods 8 days ago | parent [-] | | There is no diet that will even intervene with cancer, unless the patient dies. Cancer is the patient's own cell that has mutated to a point beyond apoptosis and adapted to be able to draw nutrients from cells around it. It started from just one cell. It has already evaded dietary fluctuations and adapted. EDIT: the reason I'm a spaz about this is I feel too many people focus on diet as the focus of cancer. While it might be good for some prevention, it will not stop it, and I want people to focus on real treatments. | | |
| ▲ | stickfigure 8 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm with you on this: Anyone that rejects clinically studied treatments in favor of "alternative" treatments is an idiot. That said, the keto diet is being studied clinically and preliminary research does seem to indicate that it has an effect. So it may be an "in addition to" treatment. That said, the news isn't entirely good: https://www.cancer.columbia.edu/news/study-finds-keto-diet-c... The bottom line is ask your oncologist. They're probably paying attention to these keto studies and they know more about your cancer than HN does. | | |
| ▲ | adamredwoods 7 days ago | parent [-] | | I did. Diet is not going to cure cancer, but they want us to eat well to survive treatments. |
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| ▲ | Client4214 8 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Are you sure about this? There is data to back it up in The China Study https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study and mentioned in the Forks over Knives documentary. That's more about prevention, but it has a measurable impact on cancer rates, I don't see how that could be classified as no impact. | | | |
| ▲ | threeseed 8 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't understand unreasonable positions like this. Nobody is saying that people should stop "real" treatments or that diet must be the primary or sole focus for treatment. But given that a change of diet (a) costs nothing, (b) has no downsides, (c) potentially may work it seems strange not to do it. | | |
| ▲ | adamredwoods 8 days ago | parent [-] | | And yet it is a highly focused topic and cancer rates have not gone down. | | |
| ▲ | throwaway290 8 days ago | parent [-] | | Are keto diet/lifestyle changes/etc actually used by doctors for cancer treatment? Even if those were effective you can't expect cancer rates to go down until they get deployed massively |
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| ▲ | eaurouge 7 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Effect of fasting on cancer: A narrative review of scientific evidence > Emerging evidence suggests that fasting could play a key role in cancer treatment by fostering conditions that limit cancer cells' adaptability, survival, and growth. Fasting could increase the effectiveness of cancer treatments and limit adverse events. Yet, we lack an integrated mechanistic model for how these two complicated systems interact, limiting our ability to understand, prevent, and treat cancer using fasting. Here, we review recent findings at the interface of oncology and fasting metabolism, with an emphasis on human clinical studies of intermittent fasting. We recommend combining prolonged periodic fasting with a standard conventional therapeutic approach to promote cancer-free survival, treatment efficacy and reduce side effects in cancer patients. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35848874/ |
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| ▲ | zmgsabst 8 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Diet impacts survival rate, in conjunction with treatment. Please stop spreading misinformation. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8749320/ |
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| ▲ | adamredwoods 8 days ago | parent [-] | | This paper you linked didn't solve anything. Please read it, and stop spreading misinformation: >> However, patients may not tolerate such a CR diet for prolonged time. Therefore, as alternative, it has been proposed an intermittent fasting regimen, whose beneficial effects also appear promising though somehow controversial in preclinical settings. This will require further elucidation in controlled clinical trials. Have you spoken to oncologists and cancer nutritionists? I have. | | |
| ▲ | Pakrozee 8 days ago | parent | next [-] | | It seems there's some misunderstanding here. The paper doesn't claim to have solved the issue but highlights areas requiring further research, particularly controlled clinical trials to confirm the effects. Intermittent fasting is indeed a complex and debated topic, as preclinical findings often don't translate directly into clinical practice. I appreciate that you've spoken to oncologists and cancer nutritionists—real-world expertise is invaluable in discussions like this. Could you share any insights or perspectives they provided? It could help clarify and enrich the conversation for everyone.https://pakrozee.pk/ | |
| ▲ | zmgsabst 7 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I cited a paper which showed “promising pre-clinical results” in the section you cited. You have “trust me bro!” to dispute that. Please stop spreading misinformation. | | |
| ▲ | adamredwoods 7 days ago | parent [-] | | You cannot stop cancer cells with diet alone. If you think otherwise, make your own clinical trial and publish results. I'm not spreading misinformation, instead, I'm challenging those who claim their diet can cure cancer. Copy-pasting internet links doesn't cure cancer either. |
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