I use Kotlin all day at work and still think it’s a wonderful language.

I never use Rust at work and also think it’s a wonderful language. Rust is really just a fun language to write apps in. Is it okay for us to admit that yet?

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lmm 7 months ago | parent | next [-]

Funnily enough I read the article and thought of Scala, which I love but can no longer find a job doing - and can't help thinking it's in large part due to FUD spread by the Kotlin people.

	▲	vips7L 7 months ago \| parent [-]
		I’ve casually used Scala at work and home over the past 5 years. I mostly think this is because of the community and also the tooling and libraries. WRT the community the functional zealots have pushed out everyone that doesn’t align to their ideology. Everyone that just wanted a better Java has moved on to Kotlin or back to modern Java. WRT the tooling: scalac and sbt are so slow it’s painful and even IntelliJ can’t figure out what’s going on in Scala sometimes. WRT libraries: every single time I have to upgrade play or the scala version there is a breaking change that either forces me to refactor or is undocumented and screws me at runtime. So mostly at least for me, I’ve been burned by the language too many times to start a new project in it, especially at work where it will be long lived and I’ll eventually have to upgrade things.

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gtani 7 months ago | parent | prev [-]

Kotlin's ex-lead posted a nice graph of prog languages, the axes being immutable encouraged vs not and 20th vs 21st century. Unfortunately paywalled but the cluster in lower right, immutable by default/21st century (swift, rust, scala, kotlin, f#), is a really nice group of languages.

Come to think of it, the 21st century/mutable by default is a nice group also: groovy, C#, golang, TS, Dart and Bright's D.

https://elizarov.medium.com/immutability-we-can-afford-10c0d...

blurred scan: https://www.joyk.com/dig/detail/1595957460688776