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llamaimperative 4 hours ago

Pointing the finger at regulation is misleading IMO. The regulations for bringing a drug to market are essentially quite simple: prove that it’s better than what currently exists.

What makes it difficult is the word “prove

It turns out it’s obscenely hard to make a drug that’s good, and even harder to prove that it’s good.

DrScientist 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> prove that it’s better than what currently exists.

So how do you do that ethically? How do you justify taking off something that you know works to some extent and try something completely new or worse placebo? ie don't you have to construct the trial in the context of existing treatments etc?

These are the kind of challenges that makes drug development slow - in the end you don't do one trial, but a series of trials, slowly building confidence and making the case.

Often that's what takes the time during the clinical phase.

Of course it would be much faster to go straight to a big trial that would show how well your treatment works in conditions optimal to it - however that kind of 'move-fast break-things' approach involves potentially breaking things which happen to be people.

Regulation just reflects the cautious 'first do no harm' philosophy.

Now let's be honest - big pharma will simultaneous complain about regulation and the cost of development, and at the same time know it creates barriers to entry - there is always some frustration about the slowest of regulatory authorities to adopt new methods - however you wouldn't want your regulatory to be gungho.

rflrob an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> or worse placebo

Just to be clear, most drug trials for anything where we have an effective treatment are not “new drug vs placebo”, but instead “new drug vs standard of care”. Thus the goal being to prove it’s better than what already exists.

datavirtue 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Inmates. Go wild. For some reason this abhores the intellegencia while myriads of innocent rodents get tortured.

wat10000 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Sorry, are you having difficulty with the concept that human prisoners should have more rights than mice?

DrScientist an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Purdue Pharma, fentanyl and doctors abrogating responsibility for patient safety is an example of 'go wild'.

On your second point - I'd agree that a lot of animal experiments are not that informative - but lets be clear 'clinical trials' are simply experiments on people.

I'm not sure I'd want to give Musk, Zuckerberg or Bezos free reign to experiment on desperate people in the medical space.

Depends on whether you treat people as just grist to your money making mill - or perhaps you think the ends justify the means?