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The way Germany has "dealt" with its past is by trying to commit suicide, and they are attempting to pull the whole rest of Europe down into hell with it.

After recognizing that they have done evil, they have proclaimed that nobody can do good. After recognizing there are wrong things to do, they have proclaimed that there are no right things to do. After recognizing that patriotic people can do evil things, they have proclaimed that patriotic people can only do evil things. After recognizing their reason for being was evil, they proclaimed that every nation's reason for being is evil.

Germany has not dealt with its past at all, which is why all their conclusions are lies. Their conclusions are designed to erase their own culpability. If all the world is just as evil as them, if everything is a gray and there is no good and evil, then how can they bear any responsibility?

Even discarding their obvious moral failings, just as a practical matter, the recent leadership of Germany has been disastrous for the European continent and has resulted in wars and economic disasters.

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lukan 8 hours ago | parent [-]

"After recognizing that they have done evil, they have proclaimed that nobody can do good."

As a german, I have only heard this from pessimists in general. But not limited to germany.

" the recent leadership of Germany has been disastrous for the European continent and has resulted in wars and economic disasters"

And so because germany is recognizing past misstakes, it is responssible for russias invasion into Ukraine? That is a new one.

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flanked-evergl 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Germany is not recognizing past mistakes, and it is culpable for the war in Ukraine, even if they are not ultimately responsible.

German diplomats were laughing at Trump who warned them about their energy dependence on Russia. Germany decided, instead of nuclear, they will go for the greener option — Russian gas, and that greener option was only greener in the sense that they were funding the "little green men", the Russians soldiers in the Donbas in Ukraine through their new energy policy.

Germany did not care one bit about Russia's actions in Donbas and Crimea, because even after this, their strategy was to give more money to Russia. Germany was upset with Trump sanctioning Nord Stream 2. Once Trump was out and Biden lifted sanctions on Nord Stream 2 and stopped weapons sales, the message was crystal clear to Putin — push because there is mush.

The message may have been wrong, but it's quite understandable that Putin interpreted it that way. Why after not caring about Crimea, Donbas, Georgia and everything else would anyone care about the rest of Ukraine?

It's undeniable that Germany has been one of the most pro-Russian countries in the whole of the EU, and has been one of the most influential and powerful countries in the EU.

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lukan 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Are you aware, that also Ukraine bought russian Gas after 2014?

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flanked-evergl 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Ukraine's actions were a pragmatic choice, it was that or nothing. Germany could have chosen different and continued to signal clearly that they are were committed to their strategy of dependence on Russian energy up to the point where Russia invaded in 2022.

In fact Germany's energy policy made it even harder for Ukraine. And again it was not like nobody saw it coming, Trump (supposedly Putins catspaw) was warning them clearly.

	▲	lukan 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		And you think it took Trump, to tell us stupid europeans, where our energy comes from and what side effects there could be? Well, we stupid europeans rather suspected, that selfless Trump rather wanted to sell some US fracking gas. Even today many countries buy russian gas, because it is cheap, not because Putin is nice. Just like no one thinks bin Salman is nice, but buy his oil anyway. And to be honest, I don't think Trump is very nice. But what has anything of this to do with germany being responsible for russias Invasion - because of criticism of its own empire past? That is the very reason for germans big public support of Ukraine btw. Not liking empires.