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| ▲ | medo-bear 7 months ago | parent [-] | | Marx and Engels were philosophers, not statesmen. Nietzsche is there but Hitler took alot of influence from him. Nietzsche was to Hitler what Marx was to Stalin. Hitler was financed by people who opposed the ideas by Max and Engels. People in Germany largely hate Hitler. Stalin did some horrible things primarily to Russians, but people in Russia to this day love Stalin. Same thing with Mao | | |
| ▲ | hagbard_c 7 months ago | parent | next [-] | | There's plenty of people who either (claim to) love Hitler or who - according to the media at least - are ardent followers of his philosophies (for lack of a better term) as well so in that respect he's right up there together with the others. | | |
| ▲ | medo-bear 7 months ago | parent [-] | | Not to the extent that Russian people admire Stalin, which for a guy that apparently did so much evil to Russia and Russians and wasnt even Russian himself is pretty strange, right? One would think that Russians would see Stalin like Jews see Hitler. Apparently he killed more innocent Russians than Hitler killed Jews https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47975704 |
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| ▲ | aguaviva 7 months ago | parent | prev [-] | | Nietzsche is there but Hitler took alot of influence from him. Nietzsche was to Hitler what Marx was to Stalin. Pure nonsense. | | |
| ▲ | medo-bear 7 months ago | parent [-] | | It is actually not. Connection of irrationalism to far right is well documented https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/summer-2008-saving... https://jacobin.com/2023/09/georg-lukacs-irrationalism-right... | | |
| ▲ | aguaviva 7 months ago | parent | next [-] | | Even the article you're attempting to draw support from didn't attempt to claim that "Hitler took a lot of influence" from Nietzsche. At most it was second-hand, through another guy whom barely anyone remembers these days, and who who woefully miscontrued him anyway. Meanwhile there's not even a whiff of substance behind this statement: Nietzsche was to Hitler what Marx was to Stalin.
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| ▲ | medo-bear 7 months ago | parent [-] | | The article also says, During World War II, Hitler’s soldiers marched off to battle with field-gray editions of Friedrich Nietzsche’s works in their packs, and ordinary Germans were occasionally urged on with the philosopher’s words.
Seems like 'little red book' vibes to me.On the other hand, do you really think Stalin faithfully represented Marx's ideas? There are many parallels between Stalin's approach to Marx and Hitler's to Nietzsche, even regarding obvious misintrepretation. https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/nietzsche/ch04... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influence_and_reception_of_F... | | |
| ▲ | aguaviva 7 months ago | parent [-] | | Seems like 'little red book' vibes to me. Except the anecdote is painfully overstretched. Apparently that distribution was limited in scope, and only some 150k soldiers were given the 'little grey book' (Zarathustra) out of some 18 million who served in the Wehrmacht overall. So not that ubiquitous. Plus they were also given copies of the New Testament apparently, so what's that supposed to prove? | | |
| ▲ | medo-bear 7 months ago | parent [-] | | I think I said enough to demonstrate that Nietsche's influence on fascism and nazim is quite concerning. Besides, Marxism has had a profound effect on western philosophy, social studies, and economics, and probably continues to this day in many indirect and possibly even direct ways. Not including any of the works by Karl Marx or Friedrich Engels is a huge omission in the ops article. > Plus they were also given copies of the New Testament apparently, so what's that supposed to prove? Oh Im definitely not saying that the Church (and religion in general) hasnt mind fucked millions of people accross generations and even gave outright support to fascism nazism and their offsprings. Look at the church's relationship with the ustashe regime in croatia and the estado novo in portugal as most obvious examples. | | |
| ▲ | aguaviva 7 months ago | parent [-] | | I think I said enough to demonstrate that Nietsche's influence on fascism and nazim is quite concerning. I don't think you have actually, but let's give that a rest for now. But if even if you did -- what would that "concern" be? | | |
| ▲ | medo-bear 7 months ago | parent [-] | | > What would that "concern" be? Would you be concerned if Trump or Putin said that they are Nietzschean ? | | |
| ▲ | aguaviva 7 months ago | parent [-] | | No (and I don't see much value in hypotheticals, generally). | | |
| ▲ | medo-bear 7 months ago | parent [-] | | Ok | | |
| ▲ | aguaviva 7 months ago | parent [-] | | I still don't get what the "concern" is supposed to be. That Nietzsche's worldview was intrinsically fascist (or proto-fascist)? | | |
| ▲ | medo-bear 7 months ago | parent [-] | | > Nietzsche's worldview was intrinsically fascist (or proto-fascist) Well done for seeing the truth | | |
| ▲ | aguaviva 7 months ago | parent [-] | | Like video games cause violence, I guess. | | |
| ▲ | medo-bear 7 months ago | parent [-] | | Philosophy is written to inform your world view, video games are made for your entertainment. I think if you are a going to base your world view on any video game it is going to be quite concerning. For example if you take Super Mario as your world view you might start consuming shrooms, jumping on enemies heads, and lighting them on fire | | |
| ▲ | aguaviva 7 months ago | parent [-] | | And if you go that route then it's on you, not Super Mario. Or because of anything intrinsic to the latter's Weltanschauung. |
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