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throwaway290 17 hours ago

2) the amounts crypto is used by regular people to work around some gov restriction is absolutely negligeble, a sand grain compared to the scale at which the gov does it.

And if it somehow becomes a problem it's only enough to make it illegal and report a few visible arrests in media for 90% of ordinary citizens to never even think of it again.

In Russia ISPs are already obligated to install special gov-provided black boxes (https://roskomsvoboda.org/en/post/usloviya-tspu/) that pass all traffic through them and as of last week VPN is illegal to promote or recommend in public. Using VPN to access restricted content? also illegal. Don't encrypt your DNS? Your visit to crypto exchange or VPN site is going to be noticed.

(And exchanges that are allowed to work in Russia legally are obligated to disclose transactions to the gov by law obviously)

So think about it. Those boxes, the police and military to ensure compliance and make necessary arrests, morning pre-trial cocaine for the judge, whatever. This machine is fueled by sanction workarounds instrumented by Western crypto-bros thinking they are helping "free" people in those countries.

BillyTheKing 17 hours ago | parent [-]

absolutely not true btw - the largest use-case for stable-coins atm are people evading capital controls in emerging markets, including China, India, Nigeria, and similar, and in many latin American countries.

throwaway290 16 hours ago | parent [-]

The stuff about Russia is true and is actually letter of the law

Also read how much NK gets from ransomware. Their nuclear program basically runs on crypto.

I never denied that regular people benefit in a small way, but the amount is incomparable and hey, they also don't need tumblers.

robocat 16 hours ago | parent [-]

> hey, they also don't need tumblers

Yes they do need tumblers. Otherwise when they spend their undeclared crypto it is likely to be tracked by the government.

throwaway290 15 hours ago | parent [-]

Where do they need tumblers for personal non industrial scale operations? I know ppl in South America who use crypto to save on dollar conversion fees when sending money abroad to family. No washing needed.

Where on the planet an oppressive gov somehow has the resources to track insignificant personal crypto amounts from ordinary people instead of just banning crypto? Check if crypto fuels this oppression machine in much larger amounts in the first place?