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sroussey a day ago

> It also (currently) requires you to use a silicon interposer, another huge extra expense in your design.

Guess what the Ultra chips use? That’s right, a silicon interposer. :)

nsteel 12 hours ago | parent [-]

OK, but that's an ultra expensive chip, pretty much by definition. The suggestion was to burden other products with that big expense, and that doesn't make sense to me.

sroussey 9 hours ago | parent [-]

I guess I was pointing out that they already do that with the UltraFusion interconnect that’s on the Max chip found in notebooks but never used there.

But the more I think about it, the more I bet they are creating a native Ultra chip that is not a combo of two Max chips.

I bet the Ultra will have the interconnect so you can put two together and get the often rumored Extreme chip.

They will have enough volume for their own datacenters, that the Mac Studio and Mac Pro will simply be consumer beneficiaries.

It makes more sense in this framing to put HBM on these chips. And no DDR5.

In this case, the M4 Max has neither HBM nor the interconnect. I’d love to see someone de-lid and get an X-ray die shot.