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connicpu 17 hours ago

An indicator light hardwired is nice but I apparently can't trust hardware manufacturers to design it properly. My work laptop (HP Dragonfly) has a physical blocker that closes over the camera when I haven't explicitly pressed the button that enables the camera. The blocker is black and white stripes so it's very obvious when it's covering the sensor. This should absolutely be the security standard we all strive for with camera privacy.

aendruk 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The blocker is black and white stripes

On my ThinkPad it’s instead painted with a red dot. Because, obviously, the conventional meaning of a red dot appearing on a camera is “not recording”.

j1elo an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I just looked up to my "Lenovo Performance" webcam and saw its red dot [1] looking at me... some product designers have a worrying lack of awareness about de-facto standards and user expectations affecting the UX.

[1]: https://imgur.com/Kowt8WJ

BuildTheRobots 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not just the weird meaning, but on my last Thinkpad the red dot and the slightly red glean of the camera lens look surprisingly like each other. Even worse I managed to get the cover in a position where it looked like it was closed, but the camera could still see.

d1sxeyes 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same on my Dell Latitude. Seems a very odd design decision. They've also centrally aligned the switch so that it's not immediately obvious from the switch position whether the cover is iver the lens or not. Super annoying.

FridayoLeary 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To be fair a red dot is a design feature of lenovo. So at least it fits in nicely with the overall look of the laptop.

darig 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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dole 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The Dell Latitude business laptops now have a wired led and wired switch. Besides the white led, there’s no indication which is on or off, and I don’t trust any of the software or firmware chain to be reliable. (score one for macs being transparent and prescient)

shiroiushi 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Dell should go back to the basic design of the Latitude E6400, but with modern electronics and screen of course, and drop the optical drive. The keyboard on that laptop was fantastic, and the single captive screw on the back panel was great for serviceability.

jorvi 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

For some inexplicable reason Dell has chosen to mark the button as "mute mic" (mic icon + X). So if the LED on the keyboard is lit up, the microphone is off, or rather, the microphone muting is on on. Brilliant design.

neuralRiot 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Probably the camera “power” is always on as any other microcontroller on the same board, but is only active when called through the control bus or an interrupt, having an LED tied to the power rail would keep it on all the time whenever the lapop is on.

grishka 13 hours ago | parent [-]

Then tie it to some signal or power rail that only gets enabled when the camera is in use, and that must be enabled for the camera to work, e.g. when there's power to the sensor itself.

kiwijamo 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Interesting, my work HP Probook does not have that functionality. I wonder why HP chooses to do this only for some laptop lines.

nox101 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I suspect most people don't want it. I can imagine lots of people calling customer service "Q: why doesn't my camera work?", "A: Did you open the cover?"

There's just a valid an argument to do the same for phones. How many phones ship with camera covers and how many users want them?

You can get a stick on camera cover for $5 or less if you want one. I have them on my laptops but not on my phone. They came in packs of 6 so I have several left.

https://www.google.com/search?q=camera+cover+laptop

netsharc 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I can imagine lots of people calling customer service "Q: why doesn't my camera work?", "A: Did you open the cover?"

In some over-engineered world, when the camera cover is engaged the webcam video feed would be replaced by an image of the text "Slide camera cover open" (in the user's language) and an animation showing the user how to do so.

nrp 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We have that on the most recent generation of Framework Laptop. When the hardware privacy switch is engaged, the image sensor is electrically powered off and the camera controller feeds a dummy frame with an illustration of the switch.

dvergeylen 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Happy Framework customer here, I just wanted to say thank you for all your efforts on privacy.

vaylian 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Is there a video or some images of this somewhere? I would love to see a demonstration.

netsharc 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I looked it up on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6AsIqAmpeQ&t=1145s

And adding 2+2, the man being interviewed (Nirav Patel) is the same man who replied to my comment (HN user nrp), i.e. the man who actually did the overengineering.

If you rewind to 17:03, he talks about the changes of what the switch does (previously: USB disconnection, now: as he described in grandparent comment).

longdustytrail 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This doesn’t seem that wild to me. Zoom already prompts me to unmute my microphone when I cough.

JumpCrisscross 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's also a moving part. Worse, a part the customer moves. Which means more opportunity for crap getting crammed in or breaking.

II2II 12 hours ago | parent [-]

The cover on my laptop's camera is behind the glass. I suppose there is a chance that the slider itself could get damaged, but at least they minimized the exposed surface that could be damaged.

That said, I really can't comment on how durable it is. I only remove the cover about a half dozen times a year.

moffkalast 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I had that exact discussion with somebody recently, and it took me a few minutes to realize that their laptop had a physical camera cover that somehow disables camera permissions in windows too. So yeah, happens a ton I would imagine.

dvngnt_ 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

i miss android popup cameras.

MaxikCZ 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Money.

zeroping 16 hours ago | parent [-]

Supporting that theory: my HP EliteBook does have a slide-over cover.

(It could also be contention between thickness of the display vs enterprise customer sensitivity to cameras)

throwaway984393 16 hours ago | parent [-]

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