| ▲ | Ratelman a day ago |
| There are better ways to protest than violating a legally binding agreement - seems more like an emotional reaction than a properly thought through protest. |
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| ▲ | bryant a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| In fairness, some of the most effective protests have gone much further than that — they've broken laws. (See basically every civil rights protest) Breaking contracts seems tame by comparison. |
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| ▲ | Ratelman a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Fair point - and I suppose we are on HACKERnews - and they are OPENAI, so helping them be more open is an effective form of protest. | |
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| ▲ | Retr0id a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The most effective forms of protest usually are illegal |
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| ▲ | HPsquared a day ago | parent | next [-] | | It's risky though, if the protest is annoying or damaging enough (antisocial behaviour basically) it can actively turn people away from your position. As in "Oh these are a bunch of insane/evil/violent etc people and that type of person tends to have this type of view, I as a good person do not have these kinds of views" | |
| ▲ | Ratelman a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | True, true - didn't think that one through | |
| ▲ | immibis a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | the ONLY effective forms of protest |
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| ▲ | esperent a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You'd rather a politely worded letter to the artist's local newspaper? |
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| ▲ | Ratelman a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Meh, not entirely sure what would work better. Having read through the huggingface post a few times now, suppose it's less of an emotional reaction, more actual protest to abusive practices. | |
| ▲ | vntok a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'd rather they do... art? Why not organize a worldwide protest where every participant produces and shares Art denouncing generative AI? "AI might produce single pieces but this collective work, this is what AI can't do" and so on. What they're doing is so weird and ineffective in contrast, it baffles me. | | |
| ▲ | Philpax a day ago | parent | next [-] | | For three hours, they gave everyone access to create videos with Sora, some of which could very well be art. Not only that, but the form in which they did this and the statement they made could also be considered art. I think they've done well here. In their statement, they make it clear that they're not opposed to the use of AI in art: they're opposed to the abuse of artists to pretend that OpenAI is doing this for their sake. This serves their perspective better than any juvenile anti-AI quilt could have. | |
| ▲ | esperent a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Why not organize a worldwide protest where every participant produces and shares Art denouncing generative AI Ah yes, a feel good protest that can be completely ignored by everyone, especially OpenAI. Even better, maybe OpenAI could fund it? That way they get to claim they hear the protests but they don't have to actually change anything. | | |
| ▲ | vntok a day ago | parent [-] | | Say everyone completely ignores the protest; surely that's a valid data point that should in itself make those artists reflect on their own positions & ideas? Maybe, just maybe, people in the general public actually value generative AI, regardless of what artists think about it? |
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| ▲ | rafram a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I’m comfortable saying that there has never been a good protest in modern history that didn’t violate a legally binding agreement. |
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| ▲ | Vampiero a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If you want to make a legally binding agreement you better pay me first. |
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| ▲ | tiahura a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| They’re artists. Theory of mind is important here. |
