| ▲ | asteroidburger 13 hours ago |
| Twice recently I've traveled by air to visit an ill family member in CA. Both times I've reserved a hybrid, but given a "free upgrade" to an EV because the hybrids were gone. I stayed with family who don't have any charging infrastructure at home. The two DCFCs in town were constantly busy any time of day I tried them. My only saving grace was that the rental facility was apparently aware of this sort of problem, and preemptively told me to not worry about bringing it back charged. I love my EV that I daily drive back home, but if I, someone who already has the apps and knows how things work, have a problem with it, it's gonna really suck for those who don't. CA should really consider improving local charging infrastructure before sponsoring more EVs on the road. |
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| ▲ | schobi 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Most people miss, that you do not need a full and fast charging infrastructure at home. I rarely need to fill the car from empty. I rarely need to jump on the next multi hour trip right away. If you "stay with family" I assume this is a few hours or overnight. Even slow charging from a regular outlet gives enough over night or a 6 hour stay. In Europe a regular outlet can give 3-4kW, so 6 hours is enough to go another 100km. At work they installed a lot of 11kW chargers. Sure - some might need them, but most people would be fine with topping up their cars every day on a single phase charger. You park there for 6-8 hours, even at 3-4kW that would be enough for a daily 200km commute (which is rare, that guy can go to the 11kW charger). I stayed in rural Italy with really old crappy electricity. Even there I could hookup the car on single phase at 1kW and keep charging. Two days later it was full again. |
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| ▲ | Yizahi 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Most people miss that most people in the world live in the apartments and not in the private houses. I wouldn't be able to charge EV at home even via 1A usb cable, simply because there is no wiring whatsoever on the parking. | |
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| ▲ | asteroidburger 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I used an L1 charger at home when I first bought my car; I'm familiar with the process and speed. But I didn't have the foresight to carry the L1 cord with me in my carry-on luggage, nor did I want to buy one to leave behind, so I was missing that very critical component. Rentals do not include any cables, so I had no way to go from a 5-15 outlet to a J1772 or NACS vehicle. | |
| ▲ | jjav 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I assume this is a few hours or overnight. Even slow charging from a regular outlet gives enough over night or a 6 hour stay. Not even close. We don't have a fast charger at home, so just charging from regular outlet. We charge from midnight to 3pm, or 15 hours a day (these are the cheaper hours with PG&E, although still a ripoff). That's not enough to charge fully in a day. Fortunately my partner only goes to work every other day, so it's ok. If we needed the car every day, it wouldn't work. |
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| ▲ | rcleveng 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I wish AZ was as good at this as CA. I rented a tesla from avis in AZ and it was a train wreck. At rental they were pretty threatening about they didn't have a place to charge so it'd be huge fees if I didn't bring it back charged, and they also didn't include the adapter that they said to charge at non-tesla charging stations. It's was both super stressful and a total pain to find a supercharge for this nearby. It's almost as is Avis is trying to go out of their way to making EV's seem horrible for customers. |
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| ▲ | m463 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | I had the same sorts of issues the first time I rented a model 3 from hertz (when they had them). For example, I didn't know how to lock the car. When I hit lock on the center console, then got out, it would unlock it. Finally had to google to figure out the two ways to lock the car. one was opening the door first, hitting lock, and then closing the door - it stayed locked. The other was to put the card key on the middle pillar. Same issues charging. Called in and it turned out the j1772 adapter was in the trunk with the charging kit after that it went smoother. All the hotels I stayed at had charging. Using tesla superchargers is great - always working, always plenty of stalls. And the tesla would drive itself on the freeway - other cars wouldn't. Best. |
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| ▲ | echelon 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I don't see how America will smoothly transition to EVs. It feels like we'll live in an ICE/EV dichotomy for a long time. EVs work great for a lot of people, but not everyone with an ICE vehicle wants an EV. Given the current status quo, some of them will never want an EV. A significant number of homes only have street parking available, thus no place to plug in. Not having access to home charging makes EV ownership a burden. A lot of people live in massive multi-family dwellings, where charging infra is difficult or impossible to provide for all residents. If every resident switches to an EV, that's either a lot of load or everyone is left fighting over a limited number of charging stations. Up north, EV range drops 30-50% during the winter. Maybe that's not a problem if you don't drive much, but most EVs already have shorter ranges than gas. It seems incredibly impractical to have to schedule your life around EV shortcomings. |
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| ▲ | m463 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I used to think the same thing. When EVs first became popular, finding public fast charging was a joke. I remember there was evgo, blink and chargepoint. Chargepoint was basically l2 only. blink was l2 and l3, but they were ALWAYS out of order. And evgo was reliable L3 + L2, but they were expensive and would have max 2 stalls of L3. Then I tried tesla, who really planned for the long term. Many charging locations. Many charging stalls. All of them extremely high power. Their cars had much better range than the competition (at the time). All of that made charging a tesla predictable and dependable. (In stark contrast to the rest) | |
| ▲ | infotainment 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Fundamentally the issue is one of battery tech. If you can build some kind of magical super-battery that can charge quickly and has 900 miles of rage, as Toyota claims to be doing, then all of those issues magically disappear. That said, the BEST solution to commuting is being able to walk to your workplace, but unfortunately with America's terrible zoning policies everything will likely remain super far apart and unusable without a car forevermore. | |
| ▲ | abdullahkhalids 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Economics teaches us that the cost of something is often its opportunity cost. The opportunity cost of a world that refuses to stop emitting greenhouse gases because its "impractical to schedule your life around it" gets to pay the costs of climate disaster, food shortages and such. That cost is much higher, but in the future so (perhaps irrationally) time-discounted to appear lower currently. |
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