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ggm a day ago

We've had a case in Australia of an ex-US forces pilot trainer arrested under extradition laws because he is said to have taught Chinese pilots how to land and take off from aircraft carriers.

Think about it for a minute: His one portable skill, the IPR behind doing a thing, a mechanical act, is deemed to be an ITAR risk. Knowing how to do it, is a weaponised concept in strategic planning.

And ask yourself: Can this apply to VLSI design smarts, or OpSEC, or DEVOPS?

I'm pretty sure at this stage, it applies to Cryptography so basically, be good at maths, you have no right (specifically right: you may be, you may not) to go and work in China.

It's been true for past knowledge of workplace. NSA (see above) and probably US forces (see the start) and I would suspect, other things too. If you worked at the FTC or department of state, don't try for a working holiday abroad without permission.

aurareturn a day ago | parent | next [-]

This is nothing new. The British banned skilled textile workers from immigration to US.

Edit: The British also banned export of advanced textile machines during the industrial revolution to US. It's very similar to the US/Europe banning ASML machines from being sold to China.

ggm a day ago | parent | next [-]

Probably backfired, with people from other economies filling the hole, and opportunities for bilateral trade affected. Ironic given the majority of the pre industrial revolution silk weavers in London were Hugenot migrants, settled in Stepney.

082349872349872 20 hours ago | parent [-]

Our Hugenot migrants did well with their watch industry right up until the japanese ate their lunch with quartz movements.

rangestransform a day ago | parent | prev [-]

government preventing people from taking the maximum amount offered for their labour is incredibly communist, it's exactly what cuba does with their doctors

MrHamburger a day ago | parent | next [-]

It really depends. Spies creating moles in government agencies by giving them money is same principle. An employee just went to work for highest bidder.

Iulioh a day ago | parent | prev [-]

That's such a bad take it's impressive.

It would be correct if applied inside the same country, it is just protectionist.

NonEUCitizen a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

FTC or State Department personnel are highly unlikely to have globally in-demand skills such as VLSI.

justinclift 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Can this apply to [...] DEVOPS?

Maybe not DevOps. DevOps skills are covered in depth via thousands of YouTube video's. ;)

talldayo a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> And ask yourself: Can this apply to VLSI design smarts, or OpSEC, or DEVOPS?

Sure. People are asked to sign NDAs pertaining to those all the time and I don't see why that's any different from classified military routines. Carrier based landings have zero civilian applications - it is a skill practiced by military pilots and no one else. You cannot be a carrier-certified pilot without understanding that your skillset is a domestic security asset.

david-gpu 17 hours ago | parent [-]

>> And ask yourself: Can this apply to VLSI design smarts, or OpSEC, or DEVOPS?

> Sure. People are asked to sign NDAs pertaining to those all the time and I don't see why that's any different from classified military routines.

As somebody who has worked at several semiconductor design companies and has met many engineers who have done the same... I don't understand your take.

Of course we do sign NDAs, which prevent us from discussing trade secrets. But our "smarts" do hop from one company to the next job, how couldn't they? We have been hired because we are experts in a particular domain and have acquired knowledge and know-how in that domain.

So if our next employer happens to be a foreign company, what do you expect us to do? I am a Canadian national and never worked for a Canadian company.

Let me finish by saying that I was pursued for years by a Chinese multinational and I turned them down again and again specifically because of their close ties to the Chinese government. That went against my personal values and I could afford to say no, but I won't judge anybody who took the job, because at the end of the day we are all just trying to feed our families.

jbgm a day ago | parent | prev [-]

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