> Individuals and interactions -- over processes and tools

That's why I proposed having a "build team" where you ask an individual to run your compiles for you, rather than dealing with an impersonal CI system. More Agile.

The old Manifesto sounds nice, but it's more a reaction (overreaction?) to some pathologies of the time than something that will get you very far without otherwise knowing what you should be doing.

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alganet 7 months ago | parent [-]

Fair enough.

The original reaction for that pathology is "The Mythical Man-Month", it's what started everything. From my point of view, we're still man-monthin'.

The Agile folks just translated a personal reflection from Fred Brooks into a culture (then some companies made it into a cult).

Anyway. In your opinion, what the pathologies for _this_ time would be?

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drewcoo 7 months ago | parent | next [-]

> The original reaction for that pathology is "The Mythical Man-Month", it's what started everything.

In software, Gerald Weinberg was writing about how to organize and optimize this stuff at least a decade before Brooks.

And Edwards Deming's work led to a lot of agile ideas. That strain of thinking is traceable at least back to the Napoleonic-era's Prussian artillery. The mythical man month isn't really a software problem; it's a human organization problem.

	▲	dllthomas 7 months ago \| parent [-]
		I very much agree that Brooks didn't "start everything" but I think he brought value to the discussion of those human organization problems in the context of software. Weinberg got there earlier but I feel like I personally got more of value from Brooks. Obviously YMMV.

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dllthomas 7 months ago | parent | prev [-]

I think there's some space between MMM and agile and the former (as problem statement more than proposed solutions) holds up better. It's been a while since I last read it, though.

> Anyway. In your opinion, what the pathologies for _this_ time would be?

That's certainly an interesting question; I don't have a ready answer.