| ▲ | wkat4242 12 hours ago |
| Those climate objectives are necessary. Soon we will be spending a lot more on disaster mitigation than we would have on some EV subsidies. If anything the transition is not fast enough. I'm living very close to Valencia with its recent flooding disaster, that it didn't happen here was just a matter of chance. That week alone has cost the country more than 10 billion in damage payments and the actual damage is a lot bigger than that. And that's not even considering the hundreds that were killed. And cars aren't as important here as in the US. I haven't owned or driven one in 7 years. I agree that ariane isn't doing well but it's really niche anyway. |
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| ▲ | ExoticPearTree 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| They can prepare better for natural disasters. And while climate change is an issue, we have the technology to fight it and not bankrupting entire industries to achieve some far fetched green goals. You might not like cars, but a lot of other people do. |
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| ▲ | wkat4242 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | These goals aren't far-fetched though. We're really far behind the curve as humanity. We need to do this sooner rather than later. Don't forget there is a huge latency in CO2 emissions and their effect. The CO2 we're saving now will only take effect in 20 year's time. The next 20 years of increasingly worst disasters are already locked in. In 20 years doing what we should do now will feel easy. I know the US will probably pull out of the climate accords again now that trump will be president but that's no reason for the rest of the world to do nothing. Even China is making lots of headway. But it also means we can't really keep living as we are. People really need to switch to EVs if they want to have a car. Also sooner rather than later. But here in the cities in Europe we're seeing less people owning cars and more and more excellent public transport. Which is even better, you can use it after drinking, you don't have to pick it up from the place you left it off, you can read a book while using it, there's no maintenance or insurance. It helps climate and it's an easier mode to travel. |
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| ▲ | Cumpiler69 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| >Those climate objectives are necessary. They're worthless if the rest of the world is not on board with you. If you're the only one on board, all you're doing is making your domestic industry uncompetitive and your working class citizens poorer via high energy prices, while the largest polluting nations are destroying the planet further while also getting richer thanks to not giving a crap about the environment and eating away your share of world GDP. What EU is doing is like trying to loose weight by cutting your own legs off calling it a good policy. |
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| ▲ | wkat4242 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | > They're worthless if the rest of the world is not on board with you. Not really. The EU is one of the biggest contributors to climate change. Our change will help. And the rest will have to follow eventually because they are also affected. And they will be in a bigger hurry and it will cost more. > If you're the only one on board, all you're doing is making your domestic industry uncompetitive and your working class citizens poorer via high energy prices, while the largest polluting nations are destroying the planet further while also getting richer thanks to not giving a crap about the environment and eating away your share of world GDP. Also, it's not a race we have to win. Life is not about becoming the richest. | | |
| ▲ | Cumpiler69 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | >Also, it's not a race we have to win. Life is not about becoming the richest. It is, if you want to maintain the generous welfare and high standard of living the EU is used to. Where do you think that money comes from, the sky? It comes from having a world dominant economy. Without that, there's no more money for good wages, pensions and welfare and the people won't be happy with that. Otherwise, the EU citizens will either have to be contempt to being poorer, OR, more likely, they'll vote another Austrian painter to power to upset the apple cart. | | |
| ▲ | wkat4242 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | We don't need to get even richer is what I mean. It's fine. I even moved to a lower wage country within the EU (about half as much as I would be able to make at home) to get a better quality of life. There's enough flex, we are still one of the richest regions in the world. Also, a lot of costs scale with income anyway. | | |
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