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RcouF1uZ4gsC 8 months ago

The death of John Jones in Nutty Putty cave is the stuff of nightmares.

He was trapped upside down for 27 hours before dying.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/geolog...

maksimilian 8 months ago | parent | next [-]

Oh wow - I saw this story a few weeks ago (absolutely horrifying) and ended up binging on caving incident stories. My takeaway was that regardless of how experienced the spelunkers are, something can go wrong.

In the midst of my binge, I also found this awesome(ly horrifying) Youtube Channel of cave explorers. They have explored some amazing caves, but here's a video of them in some really tight spaces to illustrate the risk these explorers take (warning, may induced some anxiety): https://youtu.be/Us-XA2BRLgg?si=Lb62ZE1IHG4MD6K3&t=677

mordechai9000 8 months ago | parent [-]

I'm scared of heights but I'm attracted to rock climbing, so I climb anyway and just deal with it. Caves also have a certain attraction, but those stories terrify me far more than the prospect of a serious fall. The idea of dying trapped in a tight space underground makes dying on a rock climb sound downright comforting.

XorNot 7 months ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Admittedly the main lesson I take away from that one is "if you can only make progress by going vertically down with no space to move your arms...maybe give that cave a miss".

EdwardDiego 7 months ago | parent [-]

It's kinda related to something I always try to drill into people about going outdoors in my country (NZ) "never descend something you can't ascend" and "never climb up something you can't climb down".

I know it sounds stupidly repetitive but both are true in related manners.

1) Downclimbing is far harder than climbing up.

2) If you made a mistake, you need to be able to turn back.

When it comes to descending, it's primarily when you have options other than downclimbing, like jumping into a small waterfall's plunge pool.

Are you jumping into the pool because it's fun, or easy? Or are you jumping down because you can't climb down.

If you can't climb down, then how do you know you can climb back up if you made a mistake?

Jumping into plunge pools in a canyon is a good way to get bluffed, that is, trapped by cliffs and waterfalls, you hit a waterfall too high to jump down, and you can't climb out of the gorge you're in.

But goes the same when ascending, it is easy to climb up something, harder to climb down it, what's your exit strategy if you made a mistake.

So yeah, anything that involves compressing my ribs and immobilising an arm feels like it's far too committed, no ctrl-Z on this.

brazzy 7 months ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I find it hard to say whether that is more terrifying or the Sterkfontein accident: cave diver gets lost, finds an exist to a non-submerged part of the cave and waits for rescue, alone and in complete darkness. Until he starves to death after three weeks. Is found a few days too late.

loloquwowndueo 7 months ago | parent [-]

Injun Joe’s death in Tom Sawyer comes to mind. He actually found the exit but it had been sealed shut to prevent more kids from getting lost inside the cave. Starved to death 3cm from freedom. (Apologies for the spoiler if anyone reading this had not read Tom Sawyer!)

cyanwave 7 months ago | parent | prev [-]

There’s another massive entrapment in 1925 Floyd Collins. It captured the nation radio side for the duration. Not as well known because of media gaps over time. Floyd also didn’t make it out but the engineering / efforts were large similar to John Jones.

https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/tragedy-at-sand-cave.htm