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Google's iOS app now injects links on third-party websites that go to Search(9to5google.com)
62 points by tech234a 19 hours ago | 42 comments
esprehn 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

With no inside knowledge of this team or feature, this appears to be almost the exact same feature MS shipped in the IE6 betas over 20 years ago, though without the ability for 3p to integrate with it:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_tag_(Microsoft)

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2167301/what-is-the-purp...

https://alistapart.com/article/smarttags/

Response was extremely negative and the feature was removed. The only thing remaining is the opt-out meta tags all over the web.

xnx 16 hours ago | parent [-]

Excellent historical perspective. So many attempted and discarded ideas are being rediscovered/tested to see if they make sense in the current environment.

I expect someone to re-attempt a browser with built-in ads like Opera used to have way back.

jitl 13 hours ago | parent [-]

Brave does this

spankalee 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As squirmish as this makes me, this is exactly the kind of thing that the original architects of the web imagined when they describe the browser as a "user agent" - that the browser doesn't have to show you exactly what the server sent you.

The user's agent is free to transform the data sent by the server in any way, and users will seek out agents that do useful things for them.

As a developer I'm uncomfortable with the idea that some browser or extension might break my site, or that I may break the customization with an update, but the idea here is really powerful. I don't think it's ever caught on much though. I think most extensions that do this kind of thing have pretty solidly failed.

nkrisc 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, but usually the “user” in “user agent” refers to the person using the browser, not the advertising company that controls it.

lxgr 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's certainly a powerful idea, but I wonder how well it translates to users that don't even know what a browser is, let alone understand what it means for that to be "acting as their agent".

xnx 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

AI has got people thinking about this again. I'm hopeful that there will be at least some browser features that will genuinely act on the users behalf in a largely adversarial online information environment.

walterbell 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> user agent

With user-defined CSS style sheet?

add-sub-mul-div 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If the original architects of the web didn't foresee corporations owning the browser so they can inject ads and propaganda into a publisher's content, of what use was the vision?

aikinai 17 hours ago | parent [-]

Ad blockers are possible.

skeledrew 2 hours ago | parent [-]

But will be nerfed due to Manifest v3.

https://www.reddit.com/r/chrome/comments/11peeuw/manifest_v3...

farting 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Was initially surprised that Google would have the nerve to do something like this until I realized that there's literally an app just called "Google" that doesn't seem to be a full blown web browser. The described opt out process is shitty, but realistically this seems like exactly the type of thing that someone using the dedicated Google app would appreciate. I do wonder if Google defaults to its own link or the website's link when there's an existing hyperlink in place.

soared 18 hours ago | parent [-]

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google/id284815942

Turns out I have this app, but it’s really not clear why anyone would use it. Or even why I have it downloaded.

I can’t possibly imagine they’d enable this behavior in chrome.

lxgr 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It used to be the only way to use Gemini on iOS until very recently. That was the primary reason I originally installed it.

Other than that, I believe "Google Lens" (i.e. picture search) was also exclusive to that app on iOS at least for some time.

eek2121 17 hours ago | parent [-]

That is even funnier to me than the original post! Even Google's non-existant cancellation reps are terrible at their jobs. Like, Google Lens, which recognizes nothing, and Gemini, which is the worst of everything, THOSE are the things you are relying on to stop me from leaving? Really? Okay-ish search would maybe make me chance a free-trial to a paywall.

nox101 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's got 2m reviews where as Chrome iOS only has 1.9m. It's effectively a full browser. In other words, like Google and chat apps, they've got multiple browsers on iOS.

dagmx 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How is this any different than selecting the text and going to “Look Up” that exists natively anywhere in the OS?

I suppose one aspect is that it looks like a link the website creator has made themselves which might therefore be deceptive? Whereas the OS context menu is obviously from the OS.

lxgr 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Arguably the context menu is generally understood to be (at least partially) browser- or OS-supplied, compared to things that look like hyperlinks.

add-sub-mul-div 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's no excuse for thinking, in 2024, that the endgame of this feature is something meant to benefit users and not the ad company.

duringmath 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's no different than that and it's not deceptive least of which because it happens inside the Google search app.

Half the discussions on these stories are comments from people who can't read reacting to bad faith reporting.

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rafram 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ad networks used to inject “search” links all over the web that opened ad popups on hover. If I remember correctly, it was that obnoxious behavior that first spurred me to look for an ad blocker. Full circle!

solarkraft 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If it’s like the YouTube comment search links, it’s going to be terrible. Just let me select anything and search for it.

ashildr 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So Google is rewriting what your online banking site is showing on the fly?

aikinai 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I feel like this type of thing is popular on old-fashioned media sites like news aggregators, especially in Japan.

breakingcups 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"[...]opting out can take up to 30 days, while the feature is live now."

Typical.

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malfist 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How is this not some sort of copy write infringement? Isn't this what slingbox got shut down over?

weikju 17 hours ago | parent [-]

If it’s copyright infringement then ad blockers and a bunch of useful extensions will soon follow to the graveyard…

pushcx 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Does anyone have a reusable signature for the injected ads so a side can detect the tampering?

soared 18 hours ago | parent [-]

It’s not in chrome web browser, just the google app. So you can’t run scripts/etc afaik

pushcx 17 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah. It's fairly likely the ads link to a URL with a recognizable pattern. Failing that, if an ad is reproducible we can iterate with a site owner to detect the DOM modification a few different ways. I've drafted a blog post to collaborate with others on reverse engineering this: https://push.cx/google-ad-injection

rafram 17 hours ago | parent [-]

Website owners can simply opt out: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1h9I0TbN-H_1e85CqXYb1ng7rQfg...

eek2121 17 hours ago | parent [-]

Phishing Exercise #16,777,216 -- THIS TIME IT WILL VALIDATE. YES.

rafram 16 hours ago | parent [-]

The link was in the article. I agree that it’s hardly a great way to create an opt-out system.

elphinstone 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Apple should ban them from the platform for harming users.

lxgr 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Apple should not get to dictate what is and isn't harmful to me. That power does not belong with an OS or hardware vendor.

eek2121 17 hours ago | parent [-]

Ahem, "don't let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya"

Most of us recognize that YOU think that, however, it is not what many of us think and also we just want to get things done without folks like you stopping us...and you are stopping us by mastodoning the entire internet.

123yawaworht456 15 hours ago | parent [-]

most of "you" are consoomers who don't think about such things at all

duringmath 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How is that harming anybody?

m463 17 hours ago | parent [-]

probably the third party websites wouldn't like it.