> Then he went on to create a rocket company that broke barriers of space travel no one has been able to do.

Look closer into how the sausage is made. For example the Moon grant for SpaceX to the tune of about $3bln was awarded by a person who wrote it in first person singular and after she did it, she promptly quit and went to work for SpaceX.

Musk is definitely successful, but a grifter not a businessman.

> [...] man produced a highly successful car company

Musk is claiming to posess and even selling non-existent technology to both investors and consumers (pre-orders never fullfilled) for almost a decade now. Other people (Theranos, Nikola) who tried to replicate his success in this field but didn't have pants padded with hundred bln$ are curretly serving very long prison sentences for investor fraud. While Musk got off on the grounds that what he says is widely known to be pure puffery and no-one of sound mind should expect what he says to be accurate. Funny how billions "in the bank" can change how justice percieves you.

Musk is now basically so full of hot air that when he stumbles he falls up.

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refurb 7 months ago | parent [-]

As the British would say the proof is in the pudding.

I do know we didn’t have self-landing rockets nor a massive reduced cost of space cargo until SpaceX.

Whether Musk hired the author of a Moon grant is irrelevant to that fact.

Same with Tesla. We had multiple, massively funded car companies try and fail to mass produce an electric car consumers wanted

Whether Musk overpromises FSD isn’t relevant to that accomplishment.

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scotty79 7 months ago | parent [-]

We also used to not have have LLMs, bipedal and quadrupedal robots, ubiquitous GPS maps, cell phones, miniature cameras of insane quality, ridiculously fast mobile internet connections, residential fiber and many other useful things.

Many smart people make things happen all the time. Regardless of whether there's some singular rich grifter in that specific that can latch onto them soon enough to claim credit or not.

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refurb 7 months ago | parent [-]

Hence the term “businessman”, you know business, not technological advances.

And regardless I made no claim that any of those other things aren’t important, so feel free to knock down your own strawman.

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scotty79 7 months ago | parent [-]

It's just scary that so many people that find such "businessman" something to admire.

That latching onto smart people and ousting them out of their own achievements and replacing with yourself in public imagination is something to admire.

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refurb 7 months ago | parent [-]

People make a simple statement "Musk is the most successful businessman" and you think you know their internal thought process and are ready to condemn them.

Your own bias is showing.

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scotty79 7 months ago | parent [-]

This simple statement shows that either they don't understand what kind of "businessman" Musk is exactly or they know but they don't care about it. He's the most successful grifter. Most successful conman. Those are simple statementd too. I condemn people who say those in honest admiration. I also condemn those ignorant of what means to be the kind of businessman Musk is while praising him.

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refurb 7 months ago | parent [-]

It sounds like your entire point is "stop liking things I don't like". The very fact you say "I condemn people who say those in honest admiration" shows this is more about you than the person who made the comment.

You've provided zero evidence to back of your claims of "grifter" (whatever that is).

It's not hard. Businessmen run businesses. Musk runs many and in a very successful way. You're entitled to your own opinions, but that's what they are - nothing more than your opinions.

	▲	scotty79 7 months ago \| parent [-]
		Just "stop liking conmen just because they are rich".