I may be off base, but as the world moves to zero-trust networking, we can always embed a zero-trust network into our C++ app so that it can be distributed across the network while having no listening ports on the underlay network - i.e., my memory safety exploit cannot just be exploited by anyone on the WAN, LAN, or host OS network. My C++ app unattackable via conventional IP-based tooling, all conventional network threats are immediately useless.

This capability exists in completely open source, such as OpenZiti - https://openziti.io/.

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AlotOfReading 7 months ago | parent | next [-]

The way C and C++ are standardized, you can't rely on the correct functioning of anything in the presence of undefined behavior, including memory unsafety. For what it's worth, I also opened a random file in the OpenZiti C SDK and immediately found safety issues like this: https://github.com/openziti/ziti-tunnel-sdk-c/blob/9993f61e6...

That's why this topic is such a big deal. Even people who really should know better like the OpenZiti authors aren't able to reliably write safe code.

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drivebyhooting 7 months ago | parent [-]

Why is that a safety issue?

	▲	AlotOfReading 7 months ago \| parent [-]
		Malloc/Calloc can fail even if they typically don't on most Linux systems. You should always check for null pointers before accessing the resulting buffer, which doesn't happen here. The connections() block is also never explicitly freed anywhere I was able to find in a quick search. That's allowed, but definitely bad practice.

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SkiFire13 7 months ago | parent | prev [-]

You'll still have to e.g. parse and interpret data from the internet if you want to communicate with anyone else, and that's a potential vector for an exploit. This has commonly be the way exploitations work in games.

	▲	PLG88 7 months ago \| parent [-]
		The edge SDKs do not parse and interpret data from the internet, they provide ingress/egress off the overlay. They authenticate and authorise to the controller and make outbound connections to the overlay network. This is why any app embedded with Ziti has no listening ports to host OS network, LAN, or WAN; they only listen to specific application calls across the overlay. Now, you may say, "well, you have merely moved the listening port from the app to the overlay". Yes, true, not simple. Firstly overlay is written in Golang (thus memory safe). Secondly, if a vulnerability exists in the overlay network that would allow an attacker to bypass the security of the zero trust network, but what does that mean in practice? Well, to do this they would need to: - bypass the mTLS requirement necessary to connect to the data plane (note, each hope is uses its own mTLS with its own, separate key). - strong identity that authorizes them to connect to the remote service in question (or bypass the authentication layer the controller provides through exploits... note again, each app uses separate and distinct E2E encryption, routing, and keys) - know what the remote service name is, allowing the data to target the correct service (not easy as OpenZiti provides its own private DNS that does not need to comply to TLDs, so it could literally be 'madeup.service.123') - bypass whatever "application layer" security is also applied at the service (ssh, https, oauth, whatever) - know how to negotiate the end to end encrypted tunnel to the 'far' identity So yes, if they can do all that, then they'd definitely be able to attack that remote service. But I said "remote service", not "remote services". All that work and compromises and they only have access to 1 single service among hundreds, thousands, or potentially millions of services. Lateral movement is almost impossible. So the attacker would have to repeat each of the 5 steps for every service possible. Also, they don't know which company sits behind which OpenZiti fabric, so its pot luck if its even against the target they want to try and exploit. Finally, we have developed a stateful firewall called 'ZitiFW' - https://github.com/netfoundry/zfw - which uses eBPF to look at the IP information of any incoming connections/packets to an Edge Router (Ziti's Policy Enforcement Point), if a connection/packet is received from an IP address which is not correlated to a known, bootstrapped endpoint to the overlay, the packet can be blackholed.