I wouldn’t say that downward trends in young people dating which can be judged by many consensus summary statistics ranging from a collapsing demographic pyramid to surveys of relationship satisfaction to condom sales to percentage of the population that self-reports as virgins well into adulthood is a “4chan talking point”. It probably gets talked about on 4chan, but it gets talked about in much more mainstream settings as well.

In places like South Korea the collapsing population is such an extreme crisis that the government gets involved very aggressively as a matter of long-term economic policy and national security.

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nradov 8 months ago | parent [-]

The South Korean government doesn't seem to be doing much about misogyny. Until they get serious about that, a lot of young women are just going to opt out. The same applies to many other developed countries, to a lesser extent.

	▲	benreesman 8 months ago \| parent [-]
		Misogyny, like any form of large scale hate and persecution is strictly bad, and it's strictly good when society decreases it. Not being Korean myself I'm not well-positioned to comment on the current status quo or what the government could be doing about it there. In America we've made enormous progress on institutionalized misogyny even if it's a bit of an embarrassment that it's taken so long. Women didn't even have the franchise at a federal level until 1920, losing to the Emirate of Afghanistan by a year. And we've had some reversals on reproductive rights recently, it's not a monotone improvement. But broadly by most any metric you care to choose from college graduation rates to life expectancy to likelihood to be incarcerated to likelihood to commit suicide: women are doing better than men on a lot of really important things. I don't mean to imply that there isn't a capital-P Patriarchy: there is. The meme that is destroying this conversation is in considering any man a patriarch, when almost by definition a vanishing minority of men are. An old white guy who is the CEO of a big company or holds public office? Probably almost certainly a patriarch, probably almost certainly enjoys absurd privilege at the expense of others. But a typical white guy in 2024? He can't even take care of himself in a system that has no use for him. He's in no position to oppress anyone.