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To me they never made sense in the first place - outside of ZIRP era that is which was very much a fluke. Something that someone from the street can pick up in a couple months isn’t likely to command an enduring market premium.

Doesn’t help that most of them taught precisely the things LLMs are good at. Boiler plate front end and a sprinkling of glue together back ends.

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toast0 3 hours ago | parent [-]

To the extent that they could be a somewhat reliable pipeline into a programming job, they made sense for people with reasonable programming skills (or perhaps capacity, if we're generous) and a lack of credentials.

Can do the work, but can't get hired? Find a reasonable boot camp (hard), do the time and get access to their placement assistance. From there, now you've got work experience and will have an easier time getting through hiring pipelines.

I think they were definitely oversold as the solution to everyone's lack of a good job, and some of them were outright scams.

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willio58 an hour ago | parent [-]

I've hired a couple of quality developers from bootcamps. Especially if you're looking to hire Junior devs, I highly recommend keeping an open mind about these bootcamps if you're a hiring manager.

I went to a 4-yr university for a CS degree. I mean I did learn a lot and I don't regret it, but tbh I didn't learn any web dev languages or most things I use at my job today through my program. I learned C, C++, etc. which was super interesting at the time but it just doesn't translate into JS/React-world super well. I think there's a place for legit bootcamps that focus on what you'll be using in your day-to-day and connecting you with some potential hiring companies. They just need to be careful to not guarantee anything and I think they could benefit from almost an internal hiring round after the program to see if you have the skills to even be recommended for a job. That way hiring managers could build more trust with the bootcamps.

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bluefirebrand 36 minutes ago | parent [-]

> I learned C, C++, etc. which was super interesting at the time but it just doesn't translate into JS/React-world super well.

The technology you learn is not really the point though, it's all of the fundamental underlying principles

Have you ever worked with someone who has no concept of Big O? I have. They wrote almost woefully inefficient code, and actually had no concept that code efficiency was even something you could reason about

This is not a terribly difficult thing to teach to a Junior, but it's just one example of things you learn in a degree program that bootcamps generally gloss over

	▲	kody 12 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		It depends entirely on the Junior's mindset. I would take a bootcamp grad with humility and willingness to learn over a degree holder who thinks they know everything any day. One of the worst experiences of my life was trying to teach a recent CS grad how and why to use git.