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sedan_baklazhan 8 hours ago

Unexpected part of this is that most pilots survived the crash. I don't understand how that's possible given the explosion visible on CCTVs

gsf_emergency 6 hours ago | parent [-]

The explosions triggered way before crash, terrorism not ruled out (see links below)

sedan_baklazhan 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

So if the plane exploded even in the air, how could the pilots survive?

gsf_emergency 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Not much (public) data to back what I said. See the video I linked below

Going to follow avherald now

piva00 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Where do you see that? All the videos I've seen show the plane flying fine on the glide slope but the tree line is obstructed on the camera, the explosions appear when the plane is way below the obstructions.

Edit: found a video I hadn't seen before, you can clearly see the airplane on the glide slope abruptly trying to pitch up before impact[0].

[0] https://v.redd.it/rhsqd0ntp03e1

gsf_emergency 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Pilots were surprised

https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2422543/no-signs-of...

this is the best angle so far (it's linked to in your link as well)

https://youtu.be/MXyXgSu5CBE https://old.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1gzhfx2/another_a...

"Plane... skidded several hundred metres" https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20241125-dhl-cargo-pla...

orbital-decay 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They shouldn't have been in the point of impact in any case, so the root cause was something way before the impact, and cannot be seen on the video. Above in this thread is a link with the ATC recording, in which the pilot gives incorrect readbacks, indicating a typical CFIT where they just assumed all is fine until the last second when they tried to maneuver out of this. Hence the obvious surprise. The video seems to show they hit something at the tree top or streetlight level after the last second pullup/dive/bank/whatever that maneuver was.

piva00 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Nothing in these videos indicate your initial statement though, there's no visible damage before the crash so I'm still puzzled on how you reached that initial conclusion.

I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that right now there's nothing I see to support there was an earlier explosion as you stated.

> The explosions triggered way before crash

gsf_emergency 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Sorry I should have added that bit was my own deduction..

Since the explosion you see did not seem to be due to impact with treeline (seems to me plane stayed on the landing path until point of explosion )

https://youtu.be/uaDYV9IxJLo