▲ | leovingi 3 days ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
>it gives the kids the impression that school is super important >We must have left some poor but capable kids in the wrong school. Both of those things cannot be true at the same time. Either school is important, in which case both the parents pushing their children and the children pushing themselves are doing the right thing to improve their chances of later success, or it is NOT important, in which case it doesn't matter anyway which school the other children end up in. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | lordnacho 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
> Both of those things cannot be true at the same time. Either school is important, in which case both the parents pushing their children and the children pushing themselves are doing the right thing to improve their chances of later success, or it is NOT important, in which case it doesn't matter anyway which school the other children end up in. Trying to get a less academic kid into grammar school isn't going to help them. Maybe I can provide a bit of context. The grammar school is highly academic. The kid is certainly above my level of attainment when I was his age. I went to a non-selective international school, ending with the IB. The kids are tested, every week, in a variety of subjects. I don't think a week has gone by without some sort of test. It is a constant grind of math, multiple sciences, humanities, and three languages. Not every kid enjoys that kind of thing, or even benefits from the pressure. If you manage to Fosbury Flop your kid into a school like this, you're actually doing them a disservice. They will hate being constantly pushed academically, and they will not find fellowship with the kind of kid who enjoys it. At the same time, there will be poor kids who didn't know the tricks of the exam, and didn't get in, who would have been better off at the school. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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▲ | soco 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
Let me translate it in privileged language: when the poor are, like their name suggests, poor, they cannot afford the tutors and the time for pushing their capable kids through the good school. All while recognizing the shitiness of their situation. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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▲ | watwut 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
It 100% makes sense for a parent to not want their own kid to be the "poor but capable kid" who stayed in "the wrong school". Especially since the kid who was in "the wrong school" will be blamed for "being lazy" or "less capable" when they don't perform as well as equally capable and hardworking peers in the "right school". | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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▲ | keiferski 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
Real life is not an either-or logic problem. School can both be important and not all-consumingly important. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | creesch 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
Or, things are not as black and white and both are true in a sense. School is important, up to a certain point. I admit, this highly depends on the country and schooling system, and I have too little insight in how hiring works in the US. But in many cases that I am familiar with for the fast majority of people to have a pretty decent career you need a degree, not the most prestigious degree just the right type of degree where the sort of school you got it is less important. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | anon291 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
School is important if you want to join the ranks of the 'elite'. It is not important to live a good life. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | pizza234 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
> Either school is important, in which case both the parents pushing their children and the children pushing themselves are doing the right thing to improve their chances of later success There's a difference between considering something important versus an utmost priority. The parent's criticism refers to the latter, which is also typical in certain cultures (here, in the context of USA). I've had direct experience with middle-class schools and indirect experience with an upper-class one, and the issues with the latter are very tangible. The most horrific cases involve parents of students who are not capable enough (in the given context) and will do everything in the book to ensure their children succeed, at the expense of both the children themselves and the whole system. Then, of course, if one considers study/career the one and only priority, emotional and relational needs are seen as a hindrance, creating successful but emotionally damaged adults. Ultimately, this can be summarized with the Mexican fisherman story, I guess (which omits that the businessman is a cocaine addict, cheats on his wife, and has never spent time with his children /s). |