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| ▲ | hnlmorg 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I actually know people who have worked in various different professions in the sex industry and it really depends on an individual to individual basis just how “degrading” it is. There are obviously people who are exploited. So those instances should be treated with the full severity of the law. However there are genuinely others who enjoy the work and find it more empowering than degrading. So it’s not just an industry full of stereotypical sleaze bags exploiting vulnerable women. I’m not making an argument for nor against sex work here by the way. Just saying that you cannot treat this kind of topic with Boolean arguments like you have done. It’s a hell of a lot more complex than that. In my opinion what we really should be doing is spending more time making this industry safer for those that choose it, rather than pretending it can be eradicated and thus pushing it into dark corners where vulnerable individuals cannot be kept safe. | | |
| ▲ | ChrisMarshallNY 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Agreed. Also know a number of ex-sex workers. Some have truly horrific stories, like being gang-raped at age 12, and forced into a lifetime of prostitution. Others, actually chose the work, and did well. Then, there’s trafficking, which is often a nightmare situation. Not all the victims (or volunteers) are women, either. I think that the fact the profession is often illegal, makes things considerably worse, all around. It pretty much guarantees that bad guys/gals will be running things, and there will be no oversight. | | |
| ▲ | voidfunc 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Also have known a number of sex workers. Some were just part time dominatrixes, some full time anything goes girls. Most enjoyed the work. I think all were voluntary? Few last in it long-term. The ones that do often legitimize into doing fetish content videos and VIP escort services as they get older or they keep a small set of good clients. All of them also acknowledged it is a dangerous trade with plenty of horror stories. |
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| ▲ | Cumpiler69 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >Something very much up for debate amongst leading scholars Who are those "leading scholars" and what gives them authority to be the judge what consenting adults do with their body for a living or for entertainment? | | |
| ▲ | mensetmanusman 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | What gives anyone authority either way to say whether something is degrading? It comes down to consensus in practice. | | |
| ▲ | Cumpiler69 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Exactly. Random people should stop trying to play "morality police" on consenting adults engaging in legal activities in their own private spaces in their private time. It's none of your concern what other people do. | | |
| ▲ | vjk800 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | By stating that people's private business shouldn't concern others, you are also imposing a moral system on others. Throughout most of the history, and to many people even now, morality extends beyond what's observable to outsiders. See e.g. what most of the religions have to say on issues such as homosexuality or eating certain foods. I'm not saying I have the right answer to all of this either, I'm just pointing out that your "morally neutral" stance isn't as neutral as you'd like to think. | | |
| ▲ | HeatrayEnjoyer an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Your religion example isn't helping. | |
| ▲ | Cumpiler69 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >By stating that people's private business shouldn't concern others, you are also imposing a moral system on others Only in mental gymnastics. Staying out of other people's private lives is not a question of my own morality but also the law in most western democracies. I am free to do whatever I want as long as my freedom doesn't negatively affect anyone else. If you're not affected by what I'm doing in private, why are you trying to involve yourself in it and act as a judge? | | |
| ▲ | ben_w 23 minutes ago | parent [-] | | You're literally telling other people to stop doing stuff that you don't want them doing, specifically the act of telling others what to do. You're allowed to do that, and we're allowed to point out that this doesn't work in practice and that the failure in practice is itself why we're not surprised or even upset about the hypocrisy. | | |
| ▲ | Cumpiler69 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | >You're literally telling other people to stop doing stuff that you don't want them doing Telling people to respect the privacy you're awarded by law is nto telling them what to do. |
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| ▲ | wizzwizz4 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > See e.g. what most of the religions have to say on issues such as homosexuality or eating certain foods. Can you name a specific religion? I can't think of any, but maybe that's because I misunderstand the religions. | | |
| ▲ | ben_w 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Any that takes Leviticus seriously will have issues with both food and male homosexuality, though I'd point out that not all denominations of Christianity do so about homosexuality and most Christians expressly reject the bits about food. Just realised that the text in Leveticus if taken literally says women are not allowed to have straight sex, only gay sex: """You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination""" - Leviticus 18:22 That said, translations are more of an art than a science, that's why there are so many of them. It might instead be interpreted as a statement against being bisexual like me, where either gay or straight is fine but doing both is what the writer (from the Watsonian perspective, god) doesn't like. |
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| ▲ | cess11 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | What do you mean, "consenting adults" and "private spaces"? It's transactional and commercial, someone is using money to get access to another's body, at least as exploitative as work generally is. It's something that wouldn't happen without the money, hence it obviously exerts some power in the relation. | | |
| ▲ | Cumpiler69 31 minutes ago | parent [-] | | >It's something that wouldn't happen without the money People never have sex, hook up or send nude pics of themselves without exchanging money? |
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