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thekevan 17 hours ago

I still feel that an enormous amount of why threads shows up in data analytics is because Instagram just added it on and made an account for everyone.

It wasn't adopted, it was falsely created.

I'd go even further to say that it isn't a social network, it's an add-on to another social network.

hughesjj 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It reminds me of google plus. Technically better than the existing top dog, but the forced migration and trying to bootstrap with a huge but only semi involved userbase let it fizzle soon after the start.

Has there ever been a successful case of bootstrapping a new social media product with an existing userbase? Like not just added features or merging two together.

citizenkeen 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Google+ was wildly successful in certain circles. Tabletop RPG design still hasn’t entirely recovered from its loss.

Google+ was successful from any real metric but it didn’t replace Facebook so it was axed.

hughesjj 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I definitely preferred it to Facebook, even before the feed became 100% inflammatory political stuff or ads and 0% my friends

plufz 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

By which metrics was Google+ successful? I don’t doubt you, I just never heard that before.

blntechie 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I can't say user metrics but Google Photos came out of Google+ and it is a massively successful product.

Hangouts (now Meet?) was also a product out of Google+ but considering GChat (the xmpp version) existed before, it was kind of a step backwards.

I think Google Local Guide also has some parts of Google+, not sure.

Fluorescence 4 hours ago | parent [-]

IMHO Google Photos was also just brand/infra-churn because it replaced Picasa Web Albums.

AlchemistCamp 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes. WeChat bootstrapped off of QQ accounts, which were basically like Yahoo or MSN messenger + pages for desktop users.

wink 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not sure how you define "technically better" but in any way I'd add "citation needed". G+ was kinda horrible with a couple good ideas and I think the lack of widespread adoption spoke for that.

wolpoli 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not exactly new social media product, but Facebook did add messaging to their then Facebook app, build up usage of messaging itself (network effect within the user's friend list), and then split it off into its own Messenger app. They are sharing the same Facebook login through.

protocolture 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well Facebook bootstrapped using the MySpace userbase.

crossroadsguy 11 hours ago | parent [-]

When MySpace essentially died. There was no such void to fill for Google+.

crossroadsguy 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I never used and would never use Threads for the same reason I never even considered Google+. It was DoA and I guess everyone could see it, even the people who were trying it. Such is the case with Threads.

I mean that morning when Zuck woke up and decided that a Threads a/c would need an Instagram a/c he must have seen on his daily astronomy calendar "Day of self-sabotage".

result2vino 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No they don’t. That’s untrue. The fact that so many replies are speaking as if it’s true is quite telling. Instagram continually pesters me to create a Threads account, but doesn’t just “make one for me”. Threads’ user growth would look very very different if this were true. It’s another app. Instagram won’t even let you expand one of the stupid Threads posts it shows you until you install the app.

dgeiser13 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For the most part the types of people who find Instagram interesting (and would have a Threads account created automatically) are simply not the audience for a tool like Bluesky (or Twitter).

result2vino 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is dripping with personal bias. Bluesky gets the stamp of being a “tool”. It can be just as much of a mind-numbing fuckaround as Threads. Most replies in this thread are just starting from “Bluesky is where my people are” and trying to turn it into something self-righteous. Why are HN users so afraid of admitting that they’re dumb humans like everyone else? Christ.

plufz 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Absolutely.

But I still think there is a difference with Bluesky and the other big social medias with full customization of how the feed(s) works, third party servers, custom labelers, etc. To me it seems plausible that they actually want to create more of an empowering tool that the users can control.

That will of course not stop users from using ”dumb” feeds. But the users doesn’t have the incitament of Facebook to always produce higher engagement and show more ads.

It is of course also troublesome that we do not know how Bluesky will act down the road to get their ROI.

jjaksic 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, this! I wanted to join Threads as an alternative to Twitter, but I changed my mind when it tried to force me to create an Instagram account. I don't want an Instagram account because I think posting or looking at people's pictures is idiotic. So as long as Threads requires me to touch Instagram in any way, it's a hard pass.

rcpt 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Threads is so confusing. I have no idea who's replying to who when I click into a discussion.

tylerchilds 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

100%.

i wouldn’t say falsely created, but i would say “padded statistics”

threads is beholden to KPIs unlike every other activity pub implementation

their team obviously wants to be successful to continue developing against activity pub

their metrics are akin to a company bragging about how much software they’ve written with the assistance of AI

threads was able to approximate how many instagram users wished they had twitter in the same way intellisense is able to provide auto complete for dot notation; as a magician, i spot the misdirection for investors

Yizahi 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's false. I've tried their app once and they certainly did not made an account automatically.

crossroadsguy 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree. But then a big premise of Bluesky (hence AT Proto) is that it is not centralised however when we say BlueSky we just mean Bluesky i.e https://bsky.app and that is, frankly, very concerning. It might not sustain.

While Threads is just forced Instagram users, bsky is a decentralised social network which is not decentralised. Comparing bsky with Threads is anything but a compliment.

xyzabcrst 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same thing happened to TikTok and Lemon8 recently, though the move had to do more with US banning.

bloomingkales 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You know, they stopped Amazon from buying iRobot because of I guess unfair robot vacuum competition (why does that sound hilarious?). It's almost luck that Threads isn't that successful, because then they'd have to deal with monopoly concerns. At least now they can just say it's a shitty twitter knock off, don't bother us.

TiredOfLife 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Instagram just added it on and made an account for everyone.

They didn't.

mgraybosch 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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