| ▲ | anon7000 17 hours ago |
| Added to that is user choice over moderation and algorithms. That’s what’s truly interesting about BlueSky. It allows for side A and B to both exist, with people who want to be more isolated in a safe space (so to speak) to do so. That’s a really great property. If I want to engage with content I severely disagree with, I can put it in a feed I check infrequently so that it doesn’t impact my life. Humans aren’t good at coping with a constant barrage of disagreeable (for one’s personal definition of disagreeable) or inflammatory content. |
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| ▲ | cosmic_cheese 17 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I like that aspect about Bluesky too. On “safe spaces”, as you hint at I think many of us don’t want to be shielded entirely from opposing or otherwise differing lines of thought. Speaking personally, I welcome it if there’s actual discussion to be had. Good faith discussions and exchange of perspectives is great, but I have no patience for trolls, circular logic, insults, “debate” that wouldn’t even pass for high school level, etc. |
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| ▲ | raxxorraxor 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Then you need to choose the safe space option. Under no circumstances should you opt to advertise removing content for others. Because your justification with "circular logic" could mean anything. This is the safe space option. That more free platforms employ spam protection is no excuse. | | |
| ▲ | cosmic_cheese 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think circular logic is fairly well defined (from Wikipedia, “Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with. Circular reasoning is not a formal logical fallacy, but a pragmatic defect in an argument whereby the premises are just as much in need of proof or evidence as the conclusion.”) That said, yes it’s not grounds for a ban. I wouldn’t block over it either unless the person in question is being obnoxious and e.g. following me around between threads and trying to stir up argument about the subject of contention or resorts to personal insults or something like that. | | |
| ▲ | raxxorraxor 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You will never have an agreement on it. Some see statements as axioms and others do not. Without premises, every form of reasoning can be regarded as circular. You can have an authority on it that determines something as circular or not. But then you will inevitably end up with dogmatism. Someone once said that circular reasoning works if the circle is large enough. Knowing the fallacy might help you detect faulty reasoning in your own thoughts. It doesn't allow for much more practical applications. |
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| ▲ | lone_onion 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I've just started using Bluesky. How does it compare to Reddit? There are dedicated subreddits for the conservatives and the liberals, and every subreddit has moderation rules. I use the right and left-focused subreddits to keep track of what's going on in different universes. However, I must mention that you won't find a reasonable discussion of left vs right ideologies on the main sub-reddits, as Reddit users are predominantly left-leaning. But at least there are smaller forums where these two groups meet and interact, and there is some debate. |
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| ▲ | vohk 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Bluesky is a lot more like old, early algorithm twitter. Reddit is a cluster of independently operated communities that occasionally get signal blasted onto the main feed. The top moderator of a subreddit owns it and sets any standard they like. With Bluesky there are no defined communities outside of collective engagement with particular topics or hashtags or networks of follows. There is also a "Show me [more/less] of this" button every post, and so far it seems like the platform is pretty solid at respecting your preferences. They also seem to be actively moderating the really open bad behaviour off the platform. I don't think Bluesky is as good as a well-moderated subreddit for long form discussion, but if you spend a little time curating your feed I think you might enjoy it. | | |
| ▲ | lone_onion 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Thanks. I'll invest some time in curating my feed. I'm not finding a ton of interesting starter-lists yet. I suppose it will get better over time. |
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| ▲ | gwervc 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
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| ▲ | cosmic_cheese 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The move to Bluesky encompasses much more than leftists and came as a result of increasing numbers of trolls and bots and decreasing quality of interaction, both of which hit an inflection point following the election. You don’t have to belong to a particular political leaning to get tired of those things. As an example, a lot of artists moved because they wanted to post their work and talk with other artists in peace, which had become increasingly difficult on X. | |
| ▲ | citizenkeen 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | valval 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think your logic is a bit silly in the sense that bringing up dissatisfaction over any subject can be brushed off as “screaming that they’re being oppressed”. Sometimes people are being oppressed. Sometimes it’s people you don’t like, and would like to see oppressed. |
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| ▲ | bargainbot3k 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think it’s also that some of them take pride in the harsh conditions. But this is a petulant stance and not really conducive to a healthy society. The adage goes “right wingers don’t have safe spaces” and it implies, for better or worse, that there is nowhere you can really hide. |
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