| ▲ | unnamed76ri 18 hours ago |
| Free speech is the upside of X. People leaving to join the echo chambers of Bluesky or Threads, only serves to turn X into the echo chamber they claim it is. |
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| ▲ | madeofpalk 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I know I'm falling for the bait, but saying X is some last bastion of free speech is baffling, considering it's actual actions. Why do the remaining posters keep self-censoring "Blues*y"? |
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| ▲ | unnamed76ri 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don’t know what you are referring to. I’ve never seen someone self-censor Bluesky. I see people talking about it on X all the time. Mainly to highlight some of the worst content they find there but that’s another subject… I tried checking out Bluesky the other day. The feed was mainly unhinged political rants of a very particular flavor. | | |
| ▲ | threecheese 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | A feature of Bluesky is the ability to change your feed algorithm (or code your own - yes I wrote ‘code’). You can easily filter all political (labeled) content. To say that BS is an echo chamber is untrue, though I do not disbelieve that you observed that algorithmic choice when you first tried the app. There are many echo chambers for sure, but the protocol is designed to permit you to exclude or join them. Unlike competitor systems (which I also use, and dislike more and more due to the lack of ability to choose what I see - despite trying). | | |
| ▲ | glenstein 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | Right, and what's more the charge of echo chamber has always been intellectually lazy. You can have a fruitful exchanges of ideas and information and debates on a foundation of similar values in a way that amounts to more than just repeating ideas back and forth. Using the term as a catch-all for a shared desire for conversations to have certain ground rules or certain community values, or subjects that spark your intellectual curiosity, calling those echo chambers is shallow and is not going to inform you about the real cultural dynamics that drive those kinds of communities. It's just a lazy way to try absence of critical thought by looking for the wrong thing. If people labeling things as echo chambers cared about the things they said they cared about, they would look at entirely different criteria, such as epistemic closure, the quality of relationships, propensity for trolling, and so on. | | |
| ▲ | tensor 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | > more than just repeating ideas back and forth. Yes, people on X seem very upset that they can be blocked on bluesky. But if I've heard what you have to say and don't want to hear the same thing 1000x, that's not an echo chamber. That's me hearing you, disagreeing, and you having nothing more of value to add. Discussion requires communication, not simply repeating propaganda over and over and over, which is 99% of the time all that anyone crying "echo chamber" tends to do. |
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| ▲ | mlboss 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | sapphicsnail 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You literally can't say cis on X anymore without your engagement getting nuked. Are they going to punish people for saying straight next? | |
| ▲ | insane_dreamer 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | that's completely untrue | |
| ▲ | Fnoord 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Cause it is trolling, pure hatred. Hermaphroditism exists, simple scientifically backed up fact. | | |
| ▲ | jazzyjackson 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Hermaphroditism is an "exception proves the rule" kind of thing - they are not a third sex, and I don't think the "two genders" crowd hates intersex people or even men who claim to be women, but they do probably hate people who claim that it's bigotry to say sex is a binary. | |
| ▲ | glenstein 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Right, this is one of the games that trolls play which is kind of to search for normalizing language, create a provocation, and then relish in the attention derived from the provocation. |
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| ▲ | rsynnott 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I mean, you’ll pretty swiftly end up on transphobia blocklists, but what of it? Like, unless you want to force people who don’t want to hear your shit to hear your shit (note that this is not what ‘free speech’ means), what harm is that doing you? |
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| ▲ | pengowray 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There is no "free speech" on X. Musk has banned journalists. Banned users he didn't like. Arbitrarily banned random words. Banned links to Mastodon. Banned links to linktree. Encouraged harassment of users and news organizations until they left the platform. Banned links to articles about political candidates. No unpaid user's reply can appear in the replies to one of Musk's tweets in any practical sense. X is not a free speech platform. Musk is a liar. He is lying to you. You are being lied to. If you think X has anything resembling "free speech" I have bridge made of solar powered tiles to sell you. (That was another scam of Musk's if you missed it). The lively debate you crave does not and cannot happen on X. |
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| ▲ | mcphage 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Free speech is the upside of X. You can’t possibly believe that, can you? Have you not noticed the vast gulf between what Musk says and what Musk does? |
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| ▲ | unnamed76ri 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don’t care much for Musk one way or the other. What I do know is that old Twitter actively censored ideas that didn’t align with their world view and new Twitter stopped that fascistic approach. Musk fired 6,000 Twitter employees and the site not only continues to work fine but has rolled out many new features. What were those 6,000 people even doing? Just how big was the censorship team? | | |
| ▲ | mcphage 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | But it does censor idea that don’t align with their world view. They do it even more now than they did before; the only difference is now they claim they don’t. And it continues to run, but not well. The nice thing about the kind of site it is, is that if you don’t see a particular message, you can’t tell it’s missing. | | |
| ▲ | trustinmenowpls 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | idk, I specifically go to twitter for my political fix and when I go to the for you section I see a ton of liberal stuff and a ton of conservative stuff, many posts are unhinged in either direction. Others are more moderate, in general I don't really follow any political accounts, and yet I see a many posts that give me a great view of the zeitgeist for each side. | | |
| ▲ | hooverd 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Eh, post Musk I see may more straight-up StormFront shit from "verified" posters. | | |
| ▲ | Jensson 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | The question was what he censored, not what was allowed. Allowing something is not a case of censorship. |
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| ▲ | insane_dreamer 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Free speech is the upside of X lol, you seriously believe that a network fully controlled by the world's richest man, accountable to no one, is a bastion of free speech? I presume you have a bridge to sell me as well? |