why does they have to be a winner and loser. everyone can thrive? except the United States is being buoyed by two main elements.

1) the ability of the internet to extract value overseas while untaxed in the client country 2) The H1B visa which funnels the best talent from struggling countries 3) strong institutions and financial and education centers and 4) military industrial complex that thrives on basically manufacturing conflicts with other countries

#4 is what is scary. not the dominance of any other country itself

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rangestransform 8 months ago | parent | next [-]

So that I can afford cheap shit from poorer countries, if they stay poor they contribute less to climate change, less competition for finite rare resources

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ninetyninenine 8 months ago | parent | prev [-]

> why does they have to be a winner and loser. everyone can thrive? except the United States is being buoyed by two main elements.

Why can’t there be a winner and a loser and both the winner and the loser cooperate and thrive with loser having the humility to admit he’s a loser? Isn’t this the same peaceful consequence? Just say China is better and admit inferiority for the everlasting peace. Why can’t you do it?

Because competition and cooperation are intrinsic parts of natural selection and therefore evolutionary biology and therefore human nature. Don’t pretend to be above your own nature.

Or do pretend. We can all act according to our ideals and deny our basest instincts, but don’t expect the mob to act the same way in aggregate.

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wiricon 8 months ago | parent | next [-]

I don’t think anyone disputes that China can out-manufacture us. Does that make them “better”, they the winner and the West the loser? Obviously not; things don’t end, history continues and things can go in different directions in the future. Not to mention that there are other dimensions that matter besides manufacturing prowess, namely quality of life, individual freedom, etc.

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ninetyninenine 8 months ago | parent [-]

In the dimension of quality of life, technological prowess and economic GDP, China is likely going to match the US in western cities. Think about it. Manufacturing lies at the heart of everything. Do you think there's some universe where the US is good at designing things and then submits the design to China to manufacture and then suddenly China remains in the dark on how to design things?

Don't be deluded on the whole individual freedom or quality of life thing. 99% of Americans don't even exercise the right to protest. China doesn't let you protest and this fact doesn't really affect anyones life.

	▲	rangestransform 8 months ago \| parent [-]
		China does have kangaroo courts and this fact does actually affect some relatives of mine

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digitalsurgeonz 8 months ago | parent | prev [-]

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ninetyninenine 8 months ago | parent [-]

You’re wrong. Read up on Chinese history. Violence and plunder and and slavery is human nature.

Heck the emperor cut off the penises of his servants to prevent them from fucking his multiple wives. And how did an emperor exist in the first place? Through war and invasion.

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digitalsurgeonz 8 months ago | parent [-]

no its a uniquely western nature, East came up with Budhism and Hinduism which teach peace, neither India or China ever invaded outside its borders, its a western thing to enslave not just a group but whole continents, not just even one continent but all of them. Who nuked first ? West, even Russian which is west's boogey man never threw nukes when it could have easily. Admitting your own faults is first step to recovery, but at this point it might be too late, we now have billions of videos of western violent acts which will be played to future humans for eternity.

Inside their own territories we do have instances of mental nuts seizing power and doing violent things, so its just a few bad apples, but for the west its all of its citizens who are violent. if you are talking about history, look at your own.

but any way, i concede defeat to you, go live your fulfilled life & leave the East alone. We don't need you.

	▲	ninetyninenine 8 months ago \| parent [-]
		>but any way, i concede defeat to you, go live your fulfilled life & leave the East alone. We don't need you. Leave the east alone? Did you know I am eastern? I'm from Chinese ancestry. >Inside their own territories we do have instances of mental nuts seizing power and doing violent things, so its just a few bad apples, but for the west its all of its citizens who are violent. if you are talking about history, look at your own. Bro, north korea, the mongol horde, Japanese samurai and seppukku, the formation of China itself is a story of invasion and conquest. None of these are just a "few bad apples". Asian history is just as war like as all the other continents.