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tehjoker 4 days ago

tbqh, first if the insinuation is that China is not democratic, that is only true in the sense it is not a liberal democracy with a conservative wing represented (a good thing), but it is still a democracy with elections.

secondly, if people surviving a literal genocide in Palestine can resist the most technologically sophisticated, surveilled, and completely enclosed death camp ever constructed by the U.S. and Israel, you can figure out how to deal with cameras.

kelnos 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Insinuation? It's a fact that China is not a democracy.

BriggyDwiggs42 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

China is a one party state is it not?

> you can deal with cameras

Still rather not.

tehjoker 2 days ago | parent [-]

Is it more democratic to let the majority be oppressed by a tiny property holding parasitic class or is it more democratic to repress them and express the interests of the majority?

Bear in mind when you answer that scientific surveys show American "democracy" is an oligarchy with popular opinion being almost entirely disconnected from policy.

BriggyDwiggs42 a day ago | parent [-]

I wouldn’t argue that China is a representation of the latter, the CCP fails to represent the interests of the majority. Furthermore, I think the ideology of herding and repressing the confused masses is a despicable and blatantly invalid one, which is why I despise its use in America.

Yes, the US is an oligarchy of rich people with enormous influence over our sham system. That’s why I don’t want the system pointing cameras at me; I know the person behind the screen doesn’t represent my interests.

southernplaces7 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

It's sometimes hard to credit that there are people who think in such a contorted way as you apparently do.

China isn't a democracy. The word doesn't apply when your choices for candidates can only come from one political party that pre-approved them. Don't be absurd.

It's a one-party state in which variations of style among different senior figures are still forced together under the rubric of a general monolithic dogma that's only marginally beholden to public opinion, and very much subject to the whims of dominant figures. Also, many elements of the Chinese state are at least as conservative as the worst you could see in the U.S, just without the religious overtones. Truly, go study the subject and it's history a bit better.

What's happening in Palestine, or more specifically in the Gaza Strip, is not a genocide. It's a tragedy of destructive military strategies by Israel, but calling it a genocide is demeaning to the definition of real genocides, which you should also study a bit better.

>the most technologically sophisticated, surveilled, and completely enclosed death camp ever constructed by the U.S. and Israel

Death camp, really? Also, if you're disgusted by technologically sophisticated, heavily surveilled, enclosed camps, then you really might want to find out what the Chinese "democracy" is doing in the Xinjiang Uyghur Region...

throw3828374 3 days ago | parent [-]

OP brings up a good point.

The news likes to allude to China's "genocide" in Xinjiang, but no one is dying.

At most they can stretch it to a "cultural genocide" but even that's not true as the native culture is not being repressed, only religious extremism.

However it is true that thousands of Palestinian civilians are being killed and those same media are afraid to call it out.

southernplaces7 3 days ago | parent [-]

Your point is a good one actually, and it's why I didn't mention anything about genocide in Xinjiang. It's a grotesque political atrocity of social repression and culture eradication, but as far as any sources I've looked at go, the Chinese state isn't literally killing the Uyghers en masse as an ethnic or religious group.

Nonetheless, the deaths of civilians in the Gaza Strip also aren't a genocide. They could be defined as a war crime, or if you want to be really generous to Israel, as unfair collateral damage (a phrase I mostly detest in this context) but the Israeli state isn't deliberately targeting the Strip's ethnic Palestinian population for eradication.

aguaviva 2 days ago | parent [-]

The Israeli state isn't deliberately targeting the Strip's ethnic Palestinian population for eradication.

Total eradication, no.

It just wants to see it the resident population vastly reduced. And what it is deliberately doing is creating conditions favorable to this outcome, which it refers to as "voluntary transfer":

https://www.972mag.com/intelligence-ministry-gaza-population...