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Retric 19 hours ago

Resistance to a blockade doesn’t require subsidies for growing flowers etc.

Subsidizing exports similarly has very different goals.

_DeadFred_ 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Sure it does. The goal is keep the farmland available and productive along with keeping agricultural infrastructure. The USA helped win WW2 because our car factory lines were retooled to make war machines.

Retric 17 hours ago | parent [-]

Demand for war materials goes up in a war, but the population and thus food demand isn’t going to drastically spike.

There’s a reasonable argument for having a food stockpile in case of emergencies, but extra farmland is harder to justify.

_DeadFred_ 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The demand won't spike, but the need to switch to local production necessitates some way to locally produce.

Retric 12 hours ago | parent [-]

That’s limited by the country’s basic requirements not the total amount of farmland available. People may prefer wine and beef in surplus resulting in an obesity epidemic, but that’s not required here. You don’t want 350 lb soldiers or recruits.

Spooky23 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In the case of the US, we turned much of the richest farmland into subdivisions. The breadbasket of the nation is powered by an aquifer that will be depleted in my kids lifetime. Most of our green goods come from the deserts of California and Arizona, and won’t exist if the Colorado River water system breaks down.

Retric 11 hours ago | parent [-]

That aquifer is being depleted because of farm subsidies not in spite of them.

The US’s domestic demand for food is vastly below the actual production, exports and biofuels need not be maintained in a war.

ramblenode 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You are going to stockpile years worth of food for an entire country?

Retric 17 hours ago | parent [-]

No, if you expect farmland to produce 0 food then having extra farmland is pointless. 0 * 2 X = 0 * X = 0.

The point of extra farmland is to make up for some expected shortfall, but you’re better off stockpiling food during productive periods than have reserve capacity for use when something else is going wrong.

PS: It is common to have quite large stockpiles of food. Many crops come in once a year and then get used up over that year. But that assumes a 1:1 match between production and consumption, a little extra production = quite a large surplus in a year.

Spooky23 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The government has all sorts of policy goals. Resilience, employment, etc.

In the US, Nixon era policy and legal thinking drives all things. Price is king, except it isn’t. Our crazy governance model means that corn is better represented than humans, so our food is more expensive, less nutritious, and our supply chains are incredibly fragile.