▲ | api 21 hours ago | ||||||||||||||||||||||
US auto makers have been on the ropes since the 1980s. My hypothesis is that their heyday was 50s and 60s “greaser” culture and they kinda got their heads stuck in that era. “Golden ages” are incredibly dangerous. When people started wanting just practical small reliable affordable cars as the price of gas increased and cars became just an appliance they didn’t respond to that market and the Japanese did. It’s been either sideways or downhill since. The only thing keeping them alive now is unnecessarily large status symbol trucks and that is a limited market that will be trashed if oil spikes again. There’s got to be a limit somewhere to how much people will pay to show off or own the libs or whatever motivates one to buy an F-5000 Super Chungus. They are still mostly missing the EV boat. First Tesla caught them asleep and now China. Culturally they still are not crazy about EVs because they do not go vroom vroom. Trump might string them along a bit longer with protectionism and a pull back on EVs to push more vroom vroom but meanwhile BYD will eat the entire world. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | _DeadFred_ 17 hours ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
Their downfall was earlier than that. Post WW2 everyone was looking to buy a new car (people kept their old one during the war because production was going to the war effort). The car companies had such demand they moved to a 'car salesman' sales structure to milk every customer as much as possible because demand was so much higher than production. They got hooked on the easy money and entrenched a lot of bad business practices/policies as a result. GM for all intents and purposes died (remember we funded a whole new GM, a completely new business entity, during the 2008 financial crisis timeframe) and yet new GM just 'invested' 6 billion dollars in stock buybacks, millions in management bonuses while conducting employee layoffs. But they will have no problem coming and asking the government for billions 'to remain competitive' soon. F'm. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | parpfish 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
I think there’s a little bit more to the golden age story. The “malaise era” started in the early 70s as a perfect storm of fuel economy restrictions and more widespread US economic woes. This lead to decades of low quality cars being made. US automakers not only lost out on consumers looking for simple appliances to drive, but ALSO the enthusiasts that liked driving and cars. The car guys that came of age in this era have two choices: chase after the same American muscle cars your dad liked, or switch over to imported hot hatches and the JDM tuner scene | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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▲ | grecy 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
> US auto makers have been on the ropes since the 1980s. Without a doubt. In about 2000 the US automakers sued the EPA because their proposed clean air regulations for about 2009 were "impossible". They were actually more lax than what Japanese automakers were already selling cars for in the year 2000. So the automakers sued the US government to admit that in 2009 they couldn't build cars that were as clean as cars Japan was already making in 2000. That says a lot. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | wbl 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||
The US consumer does not buy small new cars. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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