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quotemstr 4 days ago

I'll take facial recognition over long TSA lines any day. I can't wait until we have full-throughput non-blocking walk-through security.

bediger4000 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

That will never happen. The long lines and inconveniences are the point, not a side effect.

How many shoe bombers does the TSA catch in a day? 0. In a month? 0. Since the only shoe bomber? 0. We still take off our shoes. Same with underwear bombs. 0. We still partially undress and do the nude-a-tron.

The point is, we could already ditch the lines, we don't want to.

jkestner 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

This anti-tiger rock only costs $10 billion!

selimthegrim 4 days ago | parent [-]

Now try the bomb detector wands

0x457 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I mean it's like saying what's the point of a security feature if thing that feature prevents from happening isn't happening after implementing that feature.

bediger4000 4 days ago | parent [-]

Sure, there's some truth to that, but shoe bombs, underpants bombs and the two liquids bombs have never been tried again. If they did, they would set off their shoes and underpants in the "cattle maze", where there are several planesfull of people, and nobody has been ID'ed, or x-rayed or swabbed.

There's nothing magical about setting off a bomb on a plane as far as terrorizing a populace goes. Bombs in the mazes before "security" would be effective, as we learned at the Boston Marathon.

0x457 4 days ago | parent [-]

I'm not arguing with that. I'm saying that out of all reasons TSA isn't effective, lack of bombs isn't one of them.

remram 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Unless you're old, then you get to keep your shoes. Only young people's shoes explode. It's science.

jkestner 3 days ago | parent [-]

My hack to skip that part is to travel with kids. Keep your clothes on and just walk through the metal detector.

paxys 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What makes you think this will make lines move any faster? The bottleneck has always been body/luggage scanning, and that isn't changing.

tokai 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Just remove TSA. Airport security provides nothing.

aaomidi 4 days ago | parent [-]

So I’ve heard this a lot, but how can we actually test this? The only realistic test I can imagine here is that the TSA shuts down for a decade and we see what happens?

EasyMark 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

That’s a risk I’m willing to take. I hate the TSA. I’ll take my chances in a world without them if given the opportunity.

bediger4000 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's never been a bomb in the maze/lines before security. Why not?

nonameiguess 3 days ago | parent [-]

A small comment that will probably go mostly unnoticed, but this question has always bothered me too and it's a second opportunity inside of an hour to talk about working at Disneyland post 9/11. We instituted bag checks at the intake turnstiles for the first time after that, and the result was enormous lines that backed up all the way to the streets. It left me wondering why nobody just detonated a bomb or fired the entire magazine of an Uzi into the crowd waiting to get into the park. You could still kill anywhere from hundreds to thousands of people, it's still at Disneyland. What were we really accomplishing by making it less likely to happen in the park, but possibly making it even easier to happen right outside, given the gridlock, how tightly everyone was packed, and the impossibility of hiding anywhere or running away?

abdullahkhalids 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because other forms of mass travel such as trains and buses, which barely have any security checks, rarely get blown up by bombs smuggled on to them, or hijacked by guns smuggled onto them.

shiroiushi 3 days ago | parent [-]

That's because you can't really drive trains into buildings, and while you could technically do it with a bus, it's not that feasible nor that damaging. Flying a huge intercontinental airliner fully loaded with fuel into a building is quite different.

There's very good practical reasons the terrorists chose airplanes and not trains or buses.

abdullahkhalids 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

That is already completely mitigated by the fact that cockpit is sealed now days, so hijackers cannot kill/disable the pilots and take over.

actionfromafar 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Also passengers will fight back now. Before 911, the advice was, stay calm and do what the hijackers tell you to do. And things would work out for the most part.

shiroiushi 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

That door isn't invincible: the pilots have to go to the toilet sometime.

tokai 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Rail related terrorism is not uncommon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in...

shiroiushi 3 days ago | parent [-]

Some of those were at train stations, not in trains. The same type of terrorism would work any place you find dozens or hundreds of people in close proximity. The whole reason the terrorists in all these incidents targeted trains or train stations is because a somewhat-large number of people were gathered there.

If you want to destroy skyscrapers (and maybe kill thousands or tens of thousands in the process), and not just murder a few dozen people, train-related terrorism isn't going to work for you.

sneak 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They test the TSA with weapons and most get through. This means people don't wish to use weapons to hijack planes, or it would happen way more often and it doesn't.

shiroiushi 3 days ago | parent [-]

It doesn't happen now, after 9/11. 9/11 was a one-time thing, and basically ruined airliner hijacking forever for other would-be hijackers. Before 9/11, people were taught to comply with hijackers because it was just a political stunt and people generally didn't get hurt. After 9/11, passengers will now fight for their lives because they'll assume the hijackers are religious kooks who intend to murder them all by flying them into a building. A few hijackers with razor blades today will be torn limb from limb by the other passengers.

mrguyorama 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

The TSA tests this yearly. They usually fail their own tests.

kelnos 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Anecdotal, but I haven't experienced shorter lines or faster ID checks since they implemented this facial recognition system.

EasyMark 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That won’t happen since they will always want to go through your bags either by X-ray or by hand, that won’t change ever.

xenospn 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Already exists when entering the US using global entry. No need to show your passport anymore, just walk right through.

neuroelectron 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah but Senators can't bypass facial recognition the way they can evasive screening. Can't you think of their rights?

mistrial9 3 days ago | parent [-]

see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal

doctorpangloss 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

“For any amount convenience, it’s okay to discriminate against people based on any collection of facts, including ones you can see on their face like their heritage, so long as none of those facts are mine.”