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switch007 a day ago

What £/kWh rate could we achieve at 2am, if we had the perfect localised modern pricing model?

pjc50 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The whole point of the discussion is that there would be no single answer to that question: the number will vary by location, and by the current availability of power, because it becomes a price signal.

It would likely converge on wind farm strike prices plus margin, so about 10p/kWh .. if you lived in Scotland or near the coast. Being a localized market I would expect to see higher prices in London.

But there's also a risk of spikes. You'd probably want a regulatory guarantee of maximum prices, I think during the Texas crisis it got over $100/unit at one point.

michaelt 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you use "Octopus Agile" (which "directly follows half-hourly wholesale electricity prices") then on Friday 22nd in Southern Scotland [1] you could have enjoyed electricity prices ranging from 14.9p/kWh at 02:30 to 46.4p at 16:30 and an average rate of 24.8p

On a handful of days - such as yesterday [2] which was very windy - prices fell as low as -2.6p at 03:30

For comparison, a 'regular' energy supplier will charge 23.47p/kWh for anytime use.

[1] https://agilebuddy.uk/historic/agile/2024/11/22 [2] https://agilebuddy.uk/historic/agile/2024/11/24

tcfhgj 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

0-infinity

amoshebb 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Why the lower bound on 0? Places with overproduction sometimes pay to curtail

tcfhgj 33 minutes ago | parent [-]

Renewables can be turned off quite quickly.

adrianN a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Depends on the weather.

switch007 a day ago | parent [-]

What's the range?

And to quote the person to whom I replied: "If you put actual numbers on it, you would be able to have a sane discussion "

There is often an implication or assertion that the tech to enable surge pricing will actually enable way cheaper energy. So I want to know the estimated unit prices.