If you need experts 24/7, you should have had shifts that cover that timeframe.

Oncall is a source of so many ways for abuse, don't even ask me how I know. Saying that rejecting Oncall is denying support for you system is bollocks.

I'm happy that younger engineers mostly laught at that concept and leave. Once of the few lessons they are teaching us (the old pricks), especially in self care and respect space.

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rr808 8 months ago | parent [-]

Maybe you're right, systems these days are more 24/7 than they used to be seems like devs these days have had it so easy for so long though.

	▲	szszrk 8 months ago \| parent [-]
		My observation so far is that businesses don't aim at 24/7 any more. Officially maybe, but not in practice - they accept the risks. Some downtime is less of the deal, if that means less staff and other costs. It's a big shift in thinking, IMO caused mostly by people not opposing abuse more.