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▲ harimau777 3 days ago

On call should be reasonably compensated. IMHO all other discussions of on call should take place after that is resolved. Instead, developers are expected to work unreasonable hours and are then fired when they start to burn out.

▲metaltyphoon 3 days ago | parent [-]

Seriously don’t understand why devs want to do free work.

▲s1artibartfast 3 days ago | parent [-]

If that is what you think they are want, you are seriously confused.

▲metaltyphoon 2 days ago | parent [-]

Please enlighten me as to how on call is not free work when companies do not pay for this outside of your regular salary .

▲s1artibartfast 2 days ago | parent [-]

1) Salary can include tasks like this.

2) You said they want to. They dont. If you offer same pay for a job with and without it, exactly nobody would choose the job with extra on call duties.

The obvious part you are missing is that people do it because they are paid to do it, and they like money.

▲metaltyphoon 2 days ago | parent [-]

> Salary can include tasks like this

So lets say that it just magically happens that when YOU are on call, stuff breaks all the time but when its your coworkers it doesn’t. You are all paid the same, does it seem fair to you now?

Unless it’s written in paper where a salaried worker will be getting X extra per hour you are just working for free. The definition of a salaried worker in the US is having 40hrs of total work time averaged throughout a year.

▲s1artibartfast 2 days ago | parent [-]

>The definition of a salaried worker in the US is having 40hrs of total work time averaged throughout a year.

I think we got to the heart of things. This is absolutely not true! Not legally, and not in practice. There are Overtime exempt salaried positions and non-exempt positions [1]. An exempt salary position position pays more than $685/week and means you do the "the role" however your employer defines it. That can be 40 hours, 80 hours, or whatever they choose. It can require you live on-site for the whole year.

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/17a-overtime