| ▲ | dotancohen 4 days ago |
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| ▲ | aguaviva 4 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| The effectiveness, and moreover the underlying sincerity of these "warnings" have been widely and severely criticized. Meanwhile, the IDF has gone right on bombing people even when they went to areas they were told would be "safe". At the end of the day -- they're just lip service, basically. Gaza evacuation warnings from IDF contain many errors, BBC finds - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68687749 Israel's warning system and evacuation alerts leave Gaza residents confused - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-21/israel-gaza-map-block... They Were Told They Were in a Safe Area. Then Came the Missiles - https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/15/world/middleeast/israel-h... |
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| ▲ | alluro2 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I understand where you're coming from, and the need to put pieces together so that the image of oneself or their identity is acceptable. However, while doing that, you're just ignoring the number of killed people. Unfortunately, there's no way to assemble that kind of image of Israel in this situation, where it's not red in blood of Palestinian civilians. Not to say that it's any different on the other side, and not engaging with any justifications for either side - just pointing out that you're ignoring some large and ugly parts of reality in how you represented your view of the situation. |
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| ▲ | dotancohen 4 days ago | parent [-] | | > However, while doing that, you're just ignoring the number of killed people.
If the number of dead were an issue, then where are the protests about Sudan (60,000 dead)? Yemen (350,000 dead)? Syria (500,000 dead)? | | |
| ▲ | alluro2 4 days ago | parent [-] | | > If the number of dead were an issue is quite a thing to say... We could discuss lack of protests for those countries at length and conclude it's wrong - but how does that change what I said, or what is happening in your country? It's a rather weak deflection... If you're open to being self-inquisitive, notice that I have not taken any side, and have clearly said that it's no different for the other side - so I'm not attacking your identity or country, or you - yet you replied by deflection / offense. To clarify, my goal was to, as a well-intentioned fellow HN dweller, point out that your theoretical justification for actions of Israeli military is not taking into account glaring parts of reality, and it might be good to re-evaluate solely from the perspective of improving one's critical thinking and objectivity. |
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| ▲ | nsomaru 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s not war in terms of international law if it’s internal. Not clear cut that it’s not internal, but there’s nuance. |
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| ▲ | bawolff 4 days ago | parent [-] | | The icc warrant claims it is an international armed conflict. This is important, because palestine did not ratify the amendment to the rome statue criminalizing starvation in non-international armed conflict, so that charge goes away if it is just an internal thing as opposed to an international war. | | |
| ▲ | dotancohen 4 days ago | parent [-] | | I wonder if that explains the rash of sudden urgency at so many UN offices to recognize Palestine as a state after the war started. |
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| ▲ | cutemonster 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They don't always warn. There's many different people in IDF with different opinions, some want to warn first, others don't. |
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| ▲ | NomDePlum 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Ironically the IDF are probably most guilty of making tiktok footage that causes long term damage to people's views of Israelis. |
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| ▲ | runarberg 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The charges in question are that of targeting hospitals and hindering aid from reaching Gaza. Netanyahu and Gallant are being charged with the policy of targeting hospitals and hindering aid. The videos we have of people dying are only related to the crime if they show how hospitals or aid convoys were targeted. Of which we have plenty. For example the flour massacre is only one of many instances of aid being targeted which resulted in hundreds of civilians dying. And the fact the the four massacre was not an isolated incident, but followed a pattern of other links in the aid chain being targeted or otherwise prevented from being delivered to civilians is a very good argument for that this is actually a policy, of which Netanyahu and Gallant are guilty. The charges are not of war crimes, but of crimes against humanity. A war crime is an event which individual soldiers or commanders, or generals are guilty of. Crimes agains humanity is criminal policy which politicians are charged for. |
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| ▲ | bawolff 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > The charges in question are that of targeting hospitals Is it? All they say that seem relavent to that is two instances of an attack directed at a civilian object (and not from a policy perspective but more from a failing to punish a subordinate perspective). The ICC has not specified if this is about a hospital or not. > The charges are not of war crimes, but of crimes against humanity. Some of the charges are war crimes, others are crimes against humanity. In particular, the use of starvation as a method of war is a war crime not a crime against humanity. > A war crime is an event which individual soldiers or commanders, or generals are guilty of. Crimes agains humanity is criminal policy which politicians are charged for. This is incorrect, civilians who can give orders to the military (e.g. minister of defence or the PM) can be guilty of war crimes. It is also possible for soldiers & generals to commit crimes against humanity. | | | |
| ▲ | maroonblazer 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | bbqfog 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There's video that comes out every single day of dead children and civilians. Those buildings are civilian and not empty. |
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| ▲ | dotancohen 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | galactus 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Its not a war, its punishment against a whole population because of the actions of a group. | | | |
| ▲ | bbqfog 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | No in most wars children don't die. 70% of the people murdred in Gaza are women and children: https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/09/middleeast/un-warnings-gaza-h... More children have been killed in Gaza than all conflicts combined from the previous 4 years. That's not even touching all of the Palestinians that Israel has murdered prior to Oct 7th. https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147512 | | |
| ▲ | dotancohen 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > No in most wars children don't die.
I don't know why you think that. I have a feeling that you live far from war.For what it's worth, quite a few children that I know or whose parents I know were murdered on October 7. Two of them were babies, burned alive, one of those babies was an infant. And a child in my daughter's class was murdered, along with both his sisters (and both parents, too). Shall I go on? | | | |
| ▲ | dotancohen 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | bawolff 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | Myrmornis 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
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| ▲ | dotancohen 4 days ago | parent [-] | | No, the Israeli military was destroying materiel stored in civilian homes. Unfortunately people lost their homes when that materiel was destroyed. Who do you blame: Israel for destroying the rockets before Hamas shoots them, or Hamas for storing them in civilian infrastructure? I will remind you that Hamas has been shooting these rockets continually at Israel for over a decade. And Israel rarely took the initiative to proactively destroy the rockets stored in homes until this war started. | | |
| ▲ | Myrmornis 2 days ago | parent [-] | | It's nice that you believe that people in Gaza are living with rockets in their living rooms. I imagine that must make it easier to come to terms with what Israel has done. |
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