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kelnos 4 days ago

> most Israelis would completely disagree with you that genocide is happening in Gaza

Then my opinion is that at best they're ignorant or have fallen prey to propaganda and misinformation, and at worst they're liars who are ok with what is happening.

Either way, not a good look.

Beyond that, I think we need to stop getting so hung up on the term "genocide". Regardless of whether or not what's happening in Gaza satisfies the legal definition of genocide, we should not be ok with what Israel is doing there.

(And to avoid the usual knee-jerk troll responses: no, we should not be ok with what Hamas has done either.)

edanm 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

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bbqfog 4 days ago | parent [-]

> You should also leave room for the possibility that the Israeli public is actually more informed than you are.

Was the Nazi public more informed than the rest of the world? Just as Germany today isn't an "expert" in genocide because they committed it, Israelis don't "know more", they are the perpetrators of many historic crimes. They're literally living on stolen, ethnically cleansed land.

edanm 2 days ago | parent [-]

> Was the Nazi public more informed than the rest of the world?

Yes, actually. I believe many Nazis knew more about what was going on during the Holocaust than most of the world did - the world only really understood what was happening after WW2.

> Just as Germany today isn't an "expert" in genocide because they committed it,

We're not talking about Israel 70 years from now. I'm talking about people who are there right now and tell us, in real time, what is happening.

> They're literally living on stolen, ethnically cleansed land.

The land wasn't "stolen". As for whether there was ethnic cleansing, that's a much debated topic. It is also, unfortunately, the sad reality is that about 100 million people worldwide have been ethnically cleansed since WW2, many of them (though certainly not all) in the aftermath of WW2.

dotancohen 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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