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dang 5 days ago

Stories about divisive topics are routinely flagged from all sides.

It's common, if not inevitable, for people who feel strongly about $topic to conclude that the system (or the community, or the mods, etc.) are biased against their side (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...). One is far more likely to notice whatever data points that one dislikes because they go against one's view and overweight those relative to others (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...). This is probably the single most reliable phenomenon on this site. Keep in mind that the people with the opposite view to yours are just as convinced that there's bias, but they're sure that it's against their side and in favor of yours.

I could never say there's no bias—unconscious bias is a thing, for example—but I can tell you that we work hard to be fair, have been doing that for years, and there hasn't been any change in our practices.

abtinf 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Out of curiosity, can you identify any pro-Israel stories that have been unflagged in the past year?

2OEH8eoCRo0 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Add something to the page that indicates moderator intervention so we can see for ourselves. All we have is your word.

Aren't you tired of answering the same questions on every divisive thread?

dang 2 days ago | parent [-]

Of course, but adding something like that wouldn't stop the questions. If anything, it would amplify them.

tguvot 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Dang, you stated multiple times in the past that users who will use site for political discussions will be banned. I saw you in the past banning pro-israeli users after a few comments. How is this user https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=runarberg whose submissions and commentary pretty much totally political in nature still not banned, according to guidelines that you very fairly enforce ?

or this one https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=zhengiszen ?

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Tomte 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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fldskfjdslkfj 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Sure, and yet if you take the examples you provided, unless you just happened to make a series of "unlucky" picks the probability is that the bias is pretty strong.

Now of course, there's nothing inherently wrong with having a bias (depending on the bias of course), but if you clearly have one while claiming to try and be unbiased that's wrong imo.

tguvot 5 days ago | parent [-]

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talldayo 5 days ago | parent [-]

I don't think you can call it bias because there are no options here. Israel outlawed foreign reporters from entering Gaza which means our only account of what's happening comes from an inherently biased Israeli perspective.

Flagging Haaretz columnists is not any more biased than flagging a "Death to America, Death to Israel" tweet. Flagging the ICC warrant because you disagree with it or it upsets you is conscious bias.

tguvot 5 days ago | parent [-]

unflagging anti-israeli articles while keeping articles about other major events that have appearance of pro-israel - is bias.

banning pro-israeli posters after a few messages supporting israel for "it's not place for political discussions" and keeping on-site those who post continuously anti-israel articles - is bias.

talldayo 5 days ago | parent [-]

> unflagging anti-israeli articles while keeping articles about other major events that have appearance of pro-israel - is bias.

To a limit. Very famously, a lot of Israeli publications promote an unrealistically positive perspective of their politics (a-la Hasbara). These Israeli articles with a predetermined bias are generally lower-quality and contribute to less fruitful discussion than the Israeli exposés like the "Lavander"/"Where's Daddy?" reports or the sniper drone allegations that NPR reported on yesterday. Since Israel has banned all other forms of reporting in Gaza I do not think it is biased to filter obvious propaganda when it appears.

> banning pro-israeli posters after a few messages supporting israel for "it's not place for political discussions" and keeping on-site those who post continuously anti-israel articles - is bias.

This I agree with. But it's not dang that's doing that, it's your everyone on HN that's not using a burner account and has the "flag" capability. We are extremely biased against fringe opinions expressed on fragile throwaway accounts. If you're seeing a disproportionate number of flagged Israeli perspectives, shouldn't that prompt a reflection on what the narrative is now? Gaza is not a back-burner discussion anymore, you cannot whataboutism or handwave justification for the plainly apparent ethnic cleansing Israel initiated.

tguvot 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

npr article is not sourced well. somebody said something. 0 evidence. same like article about "israeli targeting ai" that was published on israeli blog without any proofs that resulted in a cheerfull israeli bashing session

i posted below a couple of "non-burner" accounts that post anti-israeli articles for an year already without bans. it includes account that posted this article. it explicitly against rules and dang banned repeatedly pro-israeli users for writing a dozen of comments. will it be hypocrisy ? bias ? editorial policy ? casual anti-semitism ?

talldayo 5 days ago | parent [-]

To tell you the truth, I think you're crazy for expecting Hacker News of all places to not be biased. The website where users control comment and post visibility, where venture capital gets priority billing and anyone who shits on $TECH_CORP is hung up on a crucifix and poked with [150 more] comments? You mean they have strong opinions?

I disagree with a lot of the shit that gets flagged on this site. However, I don't think that posting the ICC warrant to HN is biased or even inherently political in nature. It's only Israeli nationalists pretending to be shocked at the world's reaction to Israel's choices. That's not a carte-blanche endorsement of everything that gets flagged on this website, but in this case I think the digressing opinion is the clearly biased one here.

Suck it up. This happens on HN all the time and unless you pay for the server costs nobody is going to give you the time of day. There are other websites that value consistency, you're not using one of them.

tguvot 5 days ago | parent [-]

i know that hn is biased. even more than anime tities. but i am talking here about dang specifically who supposed to enforce rules impartially. instead of this dang creates out of hn askmiddleeast.

fldskfjdslkfj 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

It's not even "pro-israel" articles, it's just global event where israel is on the "receiving" end, such as the unprecedented Iranian missile strike

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40025617

I'm not even "pro" most of the actions israel has taken, but implying that the moderation is anywhere close to unbiased is just a joke.