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| ▲ | neoromantique 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Hey, we’re in agreement regarding West Bank settlements, Gaza however —- hard no. | | |
| ▲ | mardifoufs 5 days ago | parent [-] | | They are one and the same. There's no separation for Palestinians, they are a single nation. And Israel has shown that the only way to stop settlements is through armed combat, which is why they have stopped settling in Gaza and done the opposite by institutionalizing colonization and settlement in the west bank the moment the west bank laid down the arms and stopped the armed resistance. They have also blockaded Gaza since before Hamas so again, that's an act of aggression by definition. You can't just blockade (to the point of attacking any ship trying to make it to gaza) another territory and claim that it is aggression when they attack you. | | |
| ▲ | neoromantique 5 days ago | parent [-] | | This comment is flat out a lie. Israel has withdrawn from Gaza, including forcefully ejecting Israeli settlers, as a show of good will for future lasting peace negotiations, however shortly afterwards Hamas was elected and seized control, hence the blockade since it is a massive security problem for Israel. Please educate yourself on the subject. | | |
| ▲ | mardifoufs 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Are you saying that Israel wasn't controlling the seaways of Gaza between 2005-2008? And yes that's my point. Gaza hasn't seen any more settlement since, because it has never stopped armed resistance. What has Israel done to the west bank when it stopped fighting and kicked out armed groups? Pushed for tens of thousands of settlements per year, in complete disregard of international law and with 0 consequences. Regardless, Israel was actually discussing resuming settlement even in Gaza before the October attacks, as Netanyahu's voter base adores settlement. And I'm not sure why you'd think that not settling in Gaza somehow makes up for the constant territorial theft in the west bank. Again, Palestinians see themselves as one nation. It's like saying that Russia only stole territory from the Donbass, not from west Ukraine so somehow that's a show of good faith lol | | |
| ▲ | neoromantique 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Comparison with Ukraine breaks down because Russia didn’t occupy west not because they don’t want to, but because they can’t, whereas with Israel and Gaza the power asymmetry is insane. And yes, Gaza and West Bank are separate entities with very different realities, both in terms of day to day life and political landscape. Israel listened to the worlds advice by retreating voluntarily(!) from Gaza, and in return has only received more criticism, of course that fuels resentment inside of Israel, rightfully so I must add. And since October 7th we can throw out all of that out of the window, past reality no longer applies and Israel is no longer letting cowardly UN dictate its demise, plain and simple. I don’t think West Bank settlements are a good idea, but I also don’t know a way out of it now, since everything that has been done in the past year is further prove to the Jews that they need Israel. I live in Europe, and I feel significantly less safe when traveling further west(thankfully we have negligible Muslim population here in Baltics). | | |
| ▲ | aguaviva 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | (thankfully we have negligible Muslim population here in Baltics) Thankfully we have a negligible number of people who think like you do, where I live. | | |
| ▲ | neoromantique 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Enjoy the consequences. Sorry, I value safety of the overall community more than whims of imaginary gods, be it Islam or otherwise. | | |
| ▲ | aguaviva 4 days ago | parent [-] | | We all get along just fine here, thank you. And the fact that throwback opinions like yours (on this matter) are broadly and deeply discouraged, I find quite enjoyable, also. |
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| ▲ | mardifoufs 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Regardless of what you are saying, Palestinians do not see themselves as separate entities. Saying otherwise does not make it less true >since October 7th we can throw out all of that out of the window, past reality no longer applies and Israel is no longer letting cowardly UN dictate its demise, plain and simple. Ha, that's funny because that's true but not for Israel. Israel has shown what it does to groups who try to stop fighting and engage in a dialogue(west bank militant groups). They get absolutely trashed, and have to watch as they see their land stolen by settlers and treated like vermin in the land they used to live in (because the settlers have complete IDF backing). That's why they won't make that mistake again, Israel has shown what it does to groups who stop fighting >I don’t think West Bank settlements are a good idea, but I also don’t know a way out of it now, since everything that has been done in the past year is further prove to the Jews that they need Israel. Extremely tired trope that is used to justify everything Israel does. The only issue with that is that Israel has had complete, full backing of every western nation materially, diplomatically, and strategically. On the other hand, Palestinians have had no real support from any country of importance, while their land has been slowly shrinking in full view because of Israel's illegal settlements. But yeah, it's truly Israel that's alone in the world lol. |
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