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itissid 5 days ago

"It's the economy stupid" is what I would say. Mental capacity is capacity. Most of us don't study math not because we don't want to but because we can't.

I bet if you asked in a survey of people that if you were given a UBI that covered all your expenses and needs what would you do? It would be perfection of the self or art. Both of these are what is practicing and learning math.

itissid 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

One thing I can agree with is that if one is stressed out and have poor psychological habits you will suffer and be miserable regardless.

I would say focusing on mindfullness(like vipasaana) can go a long way in this. But mindfulness is not an intellectual exercise, one has to live it. Do multiple hours of meditation a day and it gets you somewhere good in a few months.

itissid 5 days ago | parent [-]

I can actually tell you how to do this right now. Take a 10 day vipassana course and practice the recommended two hours a day. If you use only therapy, seriously follow the therapist, but do some meditation too.

Once you do this, you will soon develop Attention(Concentration) and Equanimity(Inner Calmness in the face of tremendous external circumstances).

Soon you start realizing some inescapable facts:

1. Your current moment is ever changing.

2. One attaches more of the self(the ego, I me and mine) with the past and tries to predict his state in the future and ends up miserable. Don't think with the I, you are bound to suffer. The right action is timeless and free of the I. This is the reduction of the ego.

3. There is tremendous joy in focusing on being present in the moment. If you are into running and all you are doing is taking joy in your feet, breath and posture all the time for 5,10 miles you know what I mean.

This is the key to everything. No amount of book reading on self improvement can get this to you

lifter3101 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Didn’t we have that experiment during Covid? A bunch of people got paid to stay at home, sometimes for 2 years. How many Grammy nominations since then have gotten to musicians that came out of that? A new face at the Oscars? MOMA exhibiting an artist that was a barista before the pandemic?

At least anecdotally, many people around me now have more children, on the other hand.

notepad0x90 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I must disagree. I consider art same as entertainment to the most part. I would want to be good at math and I also disagree that it has anything to do with mental capacity. It's not a competition, I don't need to be better at math than others but my pursuit of other things like cryptography, better algorithms, and understanding physics is limited by my primitive understanding of mathematics.

If I was a multi-millionaire, learning lots of math on my free time would be one of the things I would pursue while chilling at my beach house.

itissid 5 days ago | parent [-]

Thanks.

> art same as entertainment

Could you volunteer me how much time you spend on it? And how is your day job?

> my pursuit of other things like cryptography, better algorithms, and understanding physics is limited by my primitive understanding of mathematics.

Could you volunteer why you would want to learn these subjects? Is it your day job or is it something you would like to pursue in the future.

> If I was a multi-millionaire, learning lots of math on my free time would be one of the things I would pursue while chilling at my beach house.

I said UBI

notepad0x90 5 days ago | parent [-]

I don't think UBI is feasible, it is anathema to the human condition to be content with the bare minimum. if not for our own selves, we would want the best life possible for our loved ones (present or future). my "UBI" would be a couple of million dollars.

I want to learn those subjects because I enjoy learning and understanding. Life should be lived with knowledge applied through wisdom.

> Could you volunteer me how much time you spend on it? And how is your day job?

On entertainment? I can't tell you, I like to watch a movie or a tv show whenever I have time for it. There are more enjoyable pursuits in life, and most worthy pursuits involve adversity and require perseverance.

diffeomorphism 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

> I don't think UBI is feasible, it is anathema to the human condition to be content with the bare minimum.

Hm? That is exactly why UBI works, no? As the name indicates, the bare minimum is taken care so that you can work towards "the best life possible for our loved ones" without worrying about starving, sickness or homelessness.

In contrast, if you were wrong and people would be content with the bare minimum, then UBI would be a bad idea. Though then they could just commit some felonies and be content with having a cell, bread and water for the rest of their lives, no?

notepad0x90 4 days ago | parent [-]

I posted a more detailed sibling comment on this thread, but that's not why UBI works. it just shifts what the "bare minimum" is. Most Americans aren't fighting to get the best tent spot while out on the streets because they can't afford housing or begging for food on the streets. UBI isn't solving that, except as a welfare replacement for a small percentage of the population (and not a great replacement either). maybe with UBI, everyone who lives in a crappy apartment can now afford a nicer apartment, but costs for the nicer apartment would naturally go up as well. In other words, most people won't quit their jobs because of UBI, they would just temporarily afford nicer things. Those that do quit their jobs can not work and not worry about starving, but that's not a new condition. if you don't want to work in America, you won't starve. maybe housing would be a problem but the people for whom housing would be a problem if they stopped working are not typically the same people who would be content with the cheapest/worst livable condition (UBI).

In short, it is silly to expect UBI to be a means by which people would work only if they want to work, and they would pursue their passions and dreams instead. That kind of a society I think is possible, but it would also have to reach a level of wealth where money itself is not required (think star trek).

diffeomorphism 4 days ago | parent [-]

> In short, it is silly to expect UBI to be a means by which people would work only if they want to work

I think it is misleading to call that scenario UBI and that the rest of your post also shares barely any resemblance to actual UBI plans, goals or side effects.

notepad0x90 4 days ago | parent [-]

if that is the case, then I must apologize for my ignorance.

euvin 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> my "UBI" would be a couple of million dollars.

There's a difference between what your human brain would become accustomed to (which you'd be right, it'd scale up and up forever) versus what would allow the base level of health and opportunity. As in, not having to worry about eating the next day.

And because you're right that human brains strive for more wealth, UBI should grant you the opportunity to pursue it without fear of failure.

notepad0x90 4 days ago | parent [-]

UBI can be used as a replacement for existing welfare programs, but you're not pursuing arts or starting a business on it. My point was, people will still prioritize earning more money when on UBI instead of pursue their passions because it won't be enough. UBI is not a safety net, if a middle class salary person fails, they would have to work hourly lower wage work, that's why they keep working their middle class job, it isn't because they fear starvation or losing their shelter.

UBI would relieve stress for the lowest earning people, but it won't result in pursuit of passion for most people. economically speaking, because most people can afford certain things (like rent) the price of those things will go up, things are priced based on what potential consumers are willing to pay. If rent costs $1000 for a specific type of unit, but suddenly everyone on UBI can afford that easily, the landlord would raise the rent, the cost of things won't remain static when wages rise for a large portion of the population. Increased demand without increased cost is loss of potential revenue. The quality of life for people on UBI would be barely surviving, and UBI would need to increase constantly to keep people from becoming homeless or starving.

This is the "Cobra effect" embodied. It provides a perverse incentive. healthcare in the US is out of control for this reason. health care providers keep increasing cost, because the patient is not the client, the insurance company is, so long as everyone is getting insurance, the cost of care is the maximum reliably predictable pay out by the insurance company. Not increasing cost is just bad business. You will have to also force all kinds of businesses from raising prices if it can work, and even when it works UBI will result in subsidizing low-wager workers for businesses, because they'll still have to work some job to afford anything outside of food,shelter and the basics.

A practical alternative to UBI is a local tax on businesses, kind of like a property tax but this tax is based on an inverse of an assessment of wages, rent, welfare pay out and other social conditions in the area. the higher wages are, lower rent is,etc.. the lower the tax is, it might even result in a credit. An inverse of a perverse incentive like UBI. Unemployment would also be partially funded through this, the unemployed would forever get a UBI like pay out so long as they are pursuing education or work of some kind based on what is in demand in their area. Businesses get a healthy talent pool to choose from and cost of living is balanced.

intelVISA 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

UBI scoped for self-actualization would be nice, imagine all the mighty works people would make if not for The Markets making us organize around badware.

nradov 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Come on, get real. If people had all of their needs covered a lot more of them would sit around getting high and playing video games than perfecting their art.

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ahoka 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Perhaps some, but why is that a problem? There are already people who do this.

manvillej 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would perfect my video gaming art. Teenagers in their basement would fear me after school.

itissid 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And how far would that get one doing that? 1, 5, 10, 40 years?

intelVISA 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Is that not better than the current alternative where they're forced to become grifters?

nradov 4 days ago | parent [-]

No one is forced to become a grifter.

ilrwbwrkhv 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah, but we are all in software so for us economy is not a concern. All of us should learn maths.