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| ▲ | nickff 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | ICC member Mongolia didn't arrest Putin when he visited. https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/ukraine-situation-icc-pre-trial... | | |
| ▲ | aguaviva 5 days ago | parent [-] | | The fact that it's the only country he's been able to visit since the warrant was issued (aside from North Korea) indicates that, by and large -- it's working as intended. | | |
| ▲ | ganeshkrishnan 5 days ago | parent [-] | | >The fact that it's the only country he's been able to visit since the warrant was issued Putin has visited around 20 countries after this ICC warrant including UAE, Saudi Arabia, China, Armenia, Vietnam , India (planned), Uzbekistan ... Start here and start counting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_presiden... But I know you wont. Your response will be shifting some goal posts like "these are not real countries because they don't exist in my coloring book" | | |
| ▲ | aguaviva 5 days ago | parent [-] | | I stand corrected: "The fact that he's only been able to visit a relative handful of countries -- nearly all of which were traditional Cold War allies (and several of these being current or former vassal states) -- indicates that, by and large, the warrant is working as intended." BTW the number is 9, not 20. | | |
| ▲ | runarberg 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I count 12. However only Mongolia is a member of the ICC, 3 (Kyrgyzstan, UAE and Uzbekistan) have signed the Rome Statute, but have not ratified it, and none of the other 8 (China, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Vietnam, Azerbaijan, and Turkmenistan) has even signed it. Russia it self has signed it, but, like the USA and Israel, has notified the Secretary General that they have no intention of ratifying it. | |
| ▲ | nickff 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not grandparent, but where are you getting 9? I get 16 from the Wiki: Tajikistan Turkmenistan Iran Uzbekistan Kazakhstan Armenia Kyrgyzstan Belarus China United Arab Emirates Saudi Arabia North Korea Vietnam Azerbaijan Mongolia Turkmenistan | | |
| ▲ | sgjohnson 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Several of the countries listed are not members of the ICC, so they don’t really count here. | |
| ▲ | aguaviva 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm looking at the bullet lists for 2023-2024, whereas it seems you may be looking at the table of all post-2022 visits (several of which were before the warrant was issued). |
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| ▲ | jcranmer 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Just like how Putin couldn't travel to, say, South Africa, after a warrant was issued for his arrest. Oh wait, South Africa declined to enforce the ICC arrest warrant in that case. I don't see this meaningfully constraining Netanyahu's foreign travel options. | | |
| ▲ | runarberg 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | It would be politically very risky for any European democracy to not enforce this arrest warrant, much more so than for South Africa or Mongolia. Israel is not popular among the public in Europe, and if a government invites him for a political visit, and don’t arrest him, that government will have to pay for that in the next election (and probably sooner, with mass demonstration and public unrest). Now, lets talk about Putin’s visit to South Africa. So Putin was scheduled to visit a BRICS summit in South Africa despite the ICC arrest warrant. South Africa claimed they wouldn’t enforce the arrest warrant. People got very mad. South Africa, in response, declared that Putin would only participate in the summit remotely, where the arrest warrant couldn’t be enforced. Now this was obviously a way to bypass the ICC warrant, and the stunt did not go well in the general public. In the next election the ANC, the governing party at the time, lost their parliamentary majority for the first time since South Africa became a democracy in 1994. Now South Africans had several other reasons to ditch the ANC, but this stunt certainly didn’t help. | | | |
| ▲ | aguaviva 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Oh wait, South Africa is just one country. In a great many other countries, including nearly all Western countries, the warrant is still in effect. And even in the South African case: the government's decision was considered quite tenuous, which is why Putin cancelled his visit, in was was considered to be a major diplomatic setback at the time. So at the end of the day -- the warrant still had significant effect, and fulfilled its purpose. | |
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