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aguaviva 6 days ago

Here is a BBC article from 2 DAYS AGO that basically says what I'm saying

Which says nothing at all about the conflict being "a proxy war".

jacknews 6 days ago | parent [-]

nitpick.

It exactly states that Biden might be stirring things up in anticipation of Trump sueing for a freeze.

aguaviva 6 days ago | parent [-]

Which still says nothing about the conflict being fundamentally a proxy war.

jacknews 5 days ago | parent [-]

I mean the fact that the US is dictating what can and cannot happen in the war makes is a proxy war almost by definitiion.

aguaviva 5 days ago | parent [-]

But the article itself addresses only the context of ATACMS. Not whether the US is "dictating what can and cannot happen in the war" generally.

Either way -- according the definition in Wikipedia, it is a proxy because one side is strongly supported by an external power. Sounds reasonable, and I can go with it (on at least a technical basis).

Where people go wrong (not saying you here) is when they accept the term "proxy war" and assume (or insinuate) that it means or supports the idea that Ukraine is simply a puppet state, not really fighting out of its own motivations.