| ▲ | tossandthrow 6 days ago |
| That would not swing. Denmark controls the waters of the seaway to Sct. Petersburg and Kaliningrad that are some of the strategically most important ports of Russia. Blocking of traffic to these would be a severe escalation. Regularly Russian subs pass through Danish waters - controlled and allowed. |
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| ▲ | mihaaly 6 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| I'd consider the serious escalation of offensive (cowardly) acts were carried out by Russia many many years ago repeatedly, increasingly, throughout Europe (elsewhere too), with mild consequences. Got seriously unabashed escalating further. Being cautious with the nazi Germany blew into the face of the World, will definitely not work with the imperialist Russia either. China acts on behalf of Russia here - Russia being coward for open confrontation with anyone (believed by them) able hitting back hard. China has secondary benefits for self as well. |
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| ▲ | lowbloodsugar 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Was it Shakespeare who wrote “Discretion is the better part of valor”? That level of cynicism might be appropriate here. The cowardice is on the European side, surely? | |
| ▲ | rightbyte 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | Tade0 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Damaging infrastructure is already a severe escalation. Should not have done that. |
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| ▲ | tossandthrow 6 days ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | Tade0 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Not American - I'm Polish. I've got friends who got drafted already (if only for training) so it's entirely possible I'll join them eventually. My take is that Russia's plan is to continue sabotaging and a weak (or lack of) response to that only emboldens them. Also nuclear war with what? Their recent Satan II ICBM test demonstrated that they don't necessarily have the technical chops to launch anything sufficiently capable and it must have come as a surprise to them as well. | |
| ▲ | tokai 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | On the contrary, chilling would endanger everyone living the in the free world even further. | |
| ▲ | tallanvor 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Nuclear war is not a realistic concern, luckily. If it was, it would have happened after the first "red line" Russia claimed the west had crossed. | |
| ▲ | p2detar 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | We were chill since 2014 if not earlier. It brought nothing but pain both to Ukrainians and to us in the West. It doesn’t work. | |
| ▲ | meindnoch 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's high time for the West to man up and solve the Russian problem once and for all. |
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| ▲ | malermeister 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How severe an escalation would it be? As severe as... say starting the largest war in Europe since WW2 right at our doorstep? Or as damaging our critical infrastructure? Or manipulating our democratic processes? It's time the West pulls its head out of its ass. We're already at war, whether we want it or not. |
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| ▲ | rightbyte 6 days ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | malermeister 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't think I have a cause. I'd like to not be constantly attacked by foreign adversaries, is that a cause? But if attacks happen, we can't just ignore them because hitting back might make the abuser more mad. | | | |
| ▲ | talldayo 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Am I missing something, or do you post peacenik appeasement demands under every HN submission? It's such a radically stupid position that I'm legitimately starting to think you're a Russian propagandist. Why would any rational country appease a madman? Because people like you write internet comments about pissing your pants? If we reach the "to [sic] late YOLO" stage it won't matter what options we picked. That's why appeasement is a fundamentally pointless idea that the US has refused for decades. If you even once play the "give a mouse a cookie" game you will end up surrendering everything to a power that can threaten you with nuclear terrorism. Only a moron would appease Russia in this scenario. | | |
| ▲ | rightbyte 5 days ago | parent [-] | | I could be anyone except you. I don't see the relevance in speculating about that. The US have no qualms appeasing Netanyahu. Biden and his party was even fine arguably losing the election over it. I don't see any contradiction there. Russia and the US from time to time more or less arbitrarily bombs or invades some other country.
I guess Russia's Holywood need to make better movies depicting their own soldiers as victims of their own wars. Still glorying though. There is work to be done there for sure. The two I've seen depicted soldiers as pathetic losers. I mean, trying to economically, socially and culturally isolate the US would probably make it wreck even more mayhem over the world than trying to have cultural exchange, be nice, and what not. And when this fails not throwing yourself on a spike might be preferable. | | |
| ▲ | talldayo 5 days ago | parent [-] | | > The US have no qualms appeasing Netanyahu. The US didn't give Israel Mandatory Palestine - Britain did. America selling arms to Israel is a moot point, and if we want to compare like-to-like then Russia is guilty of the exact same thing with India. But neither situation is an appeasement in the first place, so it's a plainly facetious argument. > Russia and the US from time to time more or less arbitrarily bombs or invades some other country. America hasn't arbitrarily invaded any country since the Philippines. Comparing bombings to occupation of a sovereign nation is a faux-pas that reveals you aren't arguing in good faith. They are drastically different things and anyone with a serious perspective of military escalation understands this. I pity you for not recognizing that these are incomparable situations and suggest that you reflect on whether or not this kind of judgement is worth sharing online. Every comment I've read from you repeats the same fearful tone without suggesting a serious response besides giving Russia what they want. You are either falling for propaganda or a blatant mouthpiece yourself. > trying to economically, socially and culturally isolate the US would probably make it wreck even more mayhem over the world than trying to have cultural exchange, be nice, and what not A perspective you could only possibly possess if you were economically, socially and culturally isolated from the rest of the world. Or is India and Iran enough to keep Putin company? Some world "superpower" Russia is. | | |
| ▲ | aguaviva 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | The US didn't give Israel Mandatory Palestine - Britain did. Well, Britain didn't quite "give" all of Mandatory Palestine, or any of it technically, to the Zionists. What it did do was first, proactively set a firm date -- at midnight on April 14/15 1948 -- for the Mandate to expire (which it needed to expire soon anyway as the UN was poised to fill the vacuum left by the collapse of the League of Nations). And agree to a pull-out of its forces around the vicinity of the date. Which, while not amounting to a transfer of sovereignty as such to the Zionists, amounted to telling them "have at it", basically. It had also provided the Zionists with a "moral" mandate that there be some kind of "Jewish home" in Palestine, though that came earlier through various steps (including of course the Balfour declaration). By that time though, the Zionists strill controlled only something like 13 percent of the territory as such. | |
| ▲ | aguaviva 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | America hasn't arbitrarily invaded any country since the Philippines. Grotesquely and profoundly false: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Iraqi_Freedom |
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| ▲ | euroderf 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Regularly Russian subs pass through Danish waters - controlled and allowed. I've always wondered how subs handle tidal flows there, and how challenging the tidal flows are. |
