▲ | defrost 6 days ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> Even if our bodies don't develop properly or if we have developmental sex disorders we are all either male or female. That's not what the actual developmental science says though. The strong all humans are either male OR female by { unprovided definition } is simply incorrect. > If you lookup biological adult, it's just someone who has completeled their reproductive development. Sure. Some are born and develop into biological adult males. Others are born and develop into biological adult females. And others yet again are born and grow into adults who are neither one nor the other. Look it up .. start with "intersex". See your own first link, for example, it's really sloppy, and yet:
* all cells will have a sex (okay ...)* most will be XX (female) OR XY (male) (... okay) * ... crickets ... Nothing said about those cells that are neither male nor female. All that aside, you have dodged the question. What definition do you have for male, for female, and what do you designate the remainder? Are you even aware that people are born who are neither male nor female by any of the generally accepted physical and genetic attributes? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | codocod 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
The comment this subthread branched from was discussing the differences in athletic ability. From the intersection of developmental biology and sports science research we know how male physical advantage in competition arises, and which set of known "intersex" (DSD) conditions confer this. For example, 5-alpha reductase 2 deficiency does. Swyer syndrome does not. World Athletics' policy document Eligibility Regulations for the Female Classification does a good job of implementing this research into a workable policy: https://worldathletics.org/download/download?filename=2ffb8b... Rather than trying to label all edge cases "female" or "male", this pragmatic approach optimizes for fairness in competition instead. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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▲ | oldnetguy 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> What definition do you have for male, for female, and what do you designate the remainder? I didn't dodge the question, you just don't like my answer Here are the English definitions. Male: of or denoting the sex that produces small, typically motile gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring. Female:of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes. "a herd of female deer" Now I know what you are going to say, what if they cannot create gametes? That doesn't change anything because even if your reproductive organs don't develop properly nor function properly it doesn't make you neither male nor female. You still have many other characteristics that needed to be addressed. This is why we have Sex as a Biological Variable. > Are you even aware that people are born who are neither male nor female by any of the generally accepted physical and genetic attributes? That's not really true, people are either male or female but didn't develop properly. Doesn't mean that they are neither nor, people with DSDs are documented. I know there are groups trying to push away from the concept of DSDs but there is not a consensus. People have all sorts of development disorders, this is just one kind. Now even if there were people who were of no sex, it doesn't mean we start changing sex labels for fully developed people because we now consider it a social construct. The people who follow Gender Theory like to use people with DSDs to push the idea that fully developed people can change their sex and they can't. https://www.nas.org/academic-questions/33/2/in-humans-sex-is... Your playing with words to try and get the idea of Biological sex thrown out is not going to work here. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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