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I’ve come to the conclusion that Kent Beck got just about everything right with Extreme Programming. There’s just not a formal training industry out there pushing it so many more people are selling and invested in other approaches with a lot of warts.

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devjab 6 days ago | parent [-]

XP is almost the opposite or shift right, similar to how every other “agile” development form pushes the necessary work forward. I think it’s telling that none of the modern software design systems seem to have given us a world where our industry is capable of delivering software on time and within budget. They’ve been around for 20 years, places follow them religiously and still fail.

Maybe everything about those concepts are just wrong? I mean, you can have people like Uncle Bob who’ll tell you that “you just got it wrong”. He’s also always correct in this, but if so many teams “get it wrong” then maybe things like clean, xp and so on simply suck?

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marcosdumay 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

> I think it’s telling that none of the modern software design systems seem to have given us a world where our industry is capable of delivering software on time and within budget.

It's worth noting that left-leaning systems were widely used once too, and they had about half of the overall success rate of the right-leaning ones on those criteria.

	▲	devjab 6 days ago \| parent [-]
		I’ve never seen any actual metrics on it that weren’t pseudoscience at best. If you have some I would genuinely like to see them. From my anecdotal experience YAGNI and making sure it’s easy to delete everything is the only way to build lasting maintainability in software. All those fancy methods like SOLID, DRY, XP are basically just invitations for building complexity you’ll never actually need. Not that you can really say that something like XP is all wrong, nothing about it is bad. It’s just that nothing about it is good without extreme moderation either. I guess it depends on where you work. If it’s for customers or a business, then I think you should just get things out there. Running into scalability issues is good, it means you’ve made it further than 95% of all software projects.

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brightball 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I’m curious what you think about XP is “shift right”?