▲ | tzs 7 days ago | |||||||
I wonder what the easiest to prove example of a, b irrational with a^b rational is? The easiest I can think of offhand would be e^log(2). To prove that we need to prove that e is irrational and the log(2) is irrational. To prove log(2) is irrational one approach is to prove that e^r is irrational for rational r != 0, which would imply that if log(2) is rational then e^log(2) would be irrational. To prove that e^r is irrational for irrational r it suffices to prove that e^n is irrational for all positive integers n. We'd also get the e is irrational out of that by taking n = 1, and that would complete our proof that e^log(2) is an example of irrational a, b with a^b rational. So, all we need now is a proof that e^n is irrational for integers n > 0. The techniques used in Niven's simple proof that pi is irrational, which was discussed here [1], can be generalized to e^n. You can find that proof in Niven's book "Irrational Numbers" or in Aigner & Ziegler's "Proofs from THE BOOK". That can also be proved by proving that e is transcendental. Normally proofs that specific numbers are transcendental (other than numbers specifically constructed to be transcendental) are fairly advanced but for e you can do it with first year undergraduate calculus. There's a chapter in Spivak's "Calculus" that does it, and there's a proof in the aforementioned "Irrational Numbers". | ||||||||
▲ | cruegge 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||
I think a = sqrt(2), b = log(9)/log(2) with a^b = 3 is easier. To show that b is irrational, assume b = n/m for integer n, m. Then 9^m = 2^n, which can't be the case since the lhs is odd and the rhs is even. | ||||||||
▲ | tyilo 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||
Also see https://math.andrej.com/2009/12/28/constructive-gem-irration... for a similar proof using 2^(log_2 3) | ||||||||
▲ | xanderlewis 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||
> To prove that e^r is irrational for irrational r You mean for rational r, don’t you? | ||||||||
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