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burnte 2 hours ago

> It's not as if Apple doesn't have the money to dedicate a team to matching the EU's requirements on a deadline. They just choose not to.

Exactly, that's actually why I LIKE this decision so much. I'm not on Apple's side, but I REALLY like the idea that a company just says, "Fine, we'll comply by not even offering this product." It's a perfectly legitimate choice, and it FORCED Apple to evaluate the pros and cons.

I want more companies to not get exemptions and thus not offer law-breaking products. I LIKE that the government is saying, "fix it or don't bring it here" and Apple just has to live with it. I like that Apple also is refusing to just bend over to the EU. We need more of these types of conflicts so we can work out good regulations, and not just always bend over and take it from whatever party won.

While I like a lot of Euro regulations, some of the privacy ones go too far with the whole "we're going to enforce this on the whole world" crap. I like California's method of "to sell it here you have to have this but we're not going to sue you for selling a noncompliant product elsewhere."

Nifty3929 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, exactly! Also forced EU voters to consider how much they value these services, and whether the regulations are worth it not to have them, or to have watered down versions of them. I say this without judgment - I see it as a legitimate area of consideration.

I think the worst is hugely impactful laws for which exceptions are constantly carved out so nobody can truly evaluate whether the law/reg is a good one or not.

shykes 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> Also forced EU voters to consider how much they value these services

It's been a while since I left Europe, and I'm rusty on that particular layer of civics. Do EU voters actually have a say in this kind of regulation? Or is it all decided on the executive side which is only accountable to member states and not to individual citizens?

asdfasgasdgasdg 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

They do have a say. They can elect representatives who could change the legal framework and the incentives for the bureaucrats, or even remove the ability of the bureaucrats to regulate certain things. Then these regulations would not get passed and that would be that.

christkv 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

None. The EU is getting more and more un democratic by the year. More power centralized in the bureaucracy vis regulations and other mechanisms.

solid_fuel 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

You have anything to back up that claim, or is it just knee-jerk drivel with no evidence based on your feelings and distrust of scary government bureaucrats?

redviperpt 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

EU "voters" don't get a say in any of this.

slekker an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I value them a lot, happy that the EU didnt bend down to Apple.

If it werent for the EU, the companies would get away with all sorts of shit.

Is as if people forget companies are evil by nature and will fuck you any chance they get.

thesmtsolver2 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Meanwhile: EU pushing to snoop on private chats and US companies are pushing back.

junto an hour ago | parent [-]

Where do you think that lobbying money is coming from?

viktorcode an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm curios what kind of shit specifically DMCA protects you from?

wtb04 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I think you mean DMA, not DMCA. DMCA mostly protects copyright holders. DMA is about protecting users and competitors from platform lock-in. Bending for Apple would just make that lock-in harder to challenge.

duskwuff 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

DMCA provides some rather important protection for service providers (including small-scale services like web forums, not just ISPs and web hosts) - it makes them not liable for copyright violations by their users, so long as they take down infringing content upon receipt of a DMCA notice.

But I agree, that's probably not what OP meant.

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troupo an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

"Let's discuss how countries should bend their knee before supranational corporations"

ghaff 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes. If a company in another country elects not to deliver a product or feature because of local regulations, consumers should take that up with their local legislators. That company has no obligation to sell something just because local consumers want it. And if those consumers want to bypass local regulations in some manner, that's their business.

yxhuvud 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

Market pressure is a pretty strong obligation to their shareholders. I expect Apple to fold, eventually.

chrisandchris 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And as a consumer, I am somewhat happy that a company says "well, then not" if it cannot comply with the law.

If the law makes sense, that I cannot judge in this case.

viktorcode an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You should remember that according to a court testimony the whole European area (which goes beyond EU) gives Apple 7% of their revenue, whereas breaking DMCA may incur penalties of ups to 10% of global turnover.

Those numbers make withholding "risky" products a no-brainer strategy. Also, those numbers put a hard limit of how much Apple will want reevaluate their general strategy of tightly integrated first-party software.

solid_fuel 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Why do you keep bringing up DMCA?

> The Digital Millennium Copyright Act is a 1998 United States copyright law

The DMCA is a law in the United States, it's not related in any way to Apple's decision to not roll out Siri in the EU.

t-sauer an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Which court testimony are you talking about? A quick google search suggests that Europe is responsible for roughly 25% of their revenue.

Edit: 26% of their net sales comes from Europe for Q1: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/fy2026-q1/FY26_Q1_Consol...

bryanrasmussen an hour ago | parent [-]

there's a difficulty in evaluating how much goes into Apple revenue because Apple mixes Europe (not just EU) and Middle East.

The 7% probably comes from a Daring Fireball article, based on misunderstanding some Apple communications, and which Gruber later had to backtrack

https://medium.com/luminasticity/when-smart-people-cant-reas...

viktorcode 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yes, I was coming from Gruber's article, thank you for correcting me!

mbowcut2 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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