| ▲ | aspenmartin an hour ago |
| Curious what your idea would be here for a truly good actor in this space; no AI development? |
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| ▲ | BoppreH an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| Not the direct person you asked, but my answer would be alignment, interpretability, and policymaking. Perhaps improving existing usage? Helping grandma create reminders doesn't require advancing the AI state-of-the-art. |
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| ▲ | aspenmartin 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | They are state of the art at all 3! As are other labs. Of all the labs they seem to take alignment and interpretability the most seriously to the point where they are hampering their own revenue in service of trying to not cause problems while also being in an incredibly competitive space. All AI companies are trying to do all of what you’re saying. The issue is you can’t do that for long without a frontier system. Or you become a completely different, far less profitable company. | | |
| ▲ | BoppreH 39 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Implied in my answer was "and not creating ever stronger AIs", which unfortunately the big 3 labs are failing at. And they might be hampering their own revenue by doing the rest, but they also know that rocking the boat too hard is even more dangerous for their revenue. I wouldn't call it selfless. | | |
| ▲ | aspenmartin 22 minutes ago | parent [-] | | No it’s not selfless, but I can’t imagine a more shareholder minded CEO would not have done a slow rollout of mythos. The point is: creating ever stronger AI systems is what these companies do, it is integral to what they even are. If you think that’s bad, even if all frontier labs agreed with you, you’re in a horrible game theoretic position. Any player can gain an enormous advantage by breaking the agreement. Not to mention Xi would be absolutely thrilled; now China can take over the AI race, become the load bearing infrastructure of humanity. We live in a complex world where simple childlike ideas like “well why don’t we just stop developing AI” actually are more damaging than keeping things going. |
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| ▲ | uselessTA 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Unilateral disarmament doesn't work though. If Anthropic is worried about this, just letting OpenAI win does seem genuinely worse. | |
| ▲ | dragonwriter 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | “Alignment” as a goal always ignores the “with what set of interests”, because there is an attempt to maintain ambiguity for different audiences (particularly, users, and non-users who seem themselves as the arbiter of broad social norms) to read in their own interests, when the actual answer is always the interests of the actor pursuing “alignment”. | | |
| ▲ | aspenmartin 14 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Which value system to align to is absolutely the right question both rhetorically and otherwise. These models have a fairly western bias due to the domain of the training data. But also, these models are capable of adjusting their value system depending on the user. Not saying that’s what’s being done but at a technical level that’s fairly straightforward, though not obviously better or with less problems. |
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| ▲ | yifanl an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If I speak up, I'm in big trouble. |
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| ▲ | logicchains an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://www.goody2.ai/ |
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| ▲ | shimman an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Probably MistralAI or any of the Chinese companies that aren't throwing billions down the drain while American society lacks healthcare, childcare, and good wages. |
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| ▲ | boc an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | American society has higher wages than almost any other developed nation [1], so it's objectively incorrect to say the US doesn't have good wages. It chooses to make you pay for private childcare and healthcare, both of which are high-quality but stupid expensive. It's a tradeoff like anything else a nation/society creates and prioritizes. No idea how that connects to the idea that Mistral or DeepSeek are somehow the "good guys" though? [1]https://www.oecd.org/en/data/indicators/average-annual-wages... | |
| ▲ | aspenmartin an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You want Anthropic to fund your healthcare or something? Also, have you seen the impact of these models on healthcare? Also most of our GDP growth this year is from AI buildouts, would you rather that be negative? And not even considering: Chinese AI companies are the good guys??? | |
| ▲ | cortesoft 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | None of the money being spent by Anthropic was going to go towards healthcare or childcare. |
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