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sarreph 2 hours ago

I'm beginning to wonder how much of a useful metric the pelican is because surely the frontier labs must be training their models on pelican-artistry because of how well known your test is now?

bensyverson 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Simon has addressed this on virtually every new model release. He also has unpublished alternate prompts. But the larger point is: this is a fun experiment, not a serious and objective benchmark.

refulgentis an hour ago | parent [-]

It's silly and a joke and a surprisingly good benchmark and don't take it seriously but don't take not taking it seriously seriously and if it's too good we use another prompt but don't actually because then it's not the pelican post and there's obvious ways to better it and it's not worth doing because it's not serious.

Only coherent move at this point: hit the minus button immediately. There's never anything about the model in the thread other than simon's post.

stasomatic 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

But what if they are better at flamingos? Are they optimized for pelicans? How about “draw me a four headed owl”? The meme, I get it, but I’d settle for a working bash script, tbh.

wongarsu 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I just run my own benchmark for "draw an SVG with $animal driving $vehicle". I won't post my choice of animal and mode of transport, but there are plenty of uncommon combinations to choose from. So far it's a fun and visually intuitive benchmark that does seem to correlate with model capabilities

modriano 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't know. Just looking at the bike frames (specifically the fact that the AI generated bikes have rather unsteerable front forks), it's clear to me that frontier labs aren't spending much time tuning models to make bikes look coherent, which I assume is an easier task than making a pelican riding a bike look coherent.

iLoveOncall 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It was a completely useless test even before the labs trained for it.

HaZeust 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I've seen this reply to Simon's benchmark for 2 years running now, and yet you still see improvements and objectively-bad results over time from new releases, even when I'm sure every frontier AI team has/had a person at least partially dedicated to better bicycle-pelican SVG outputs. Alas.

sarreph 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I had intended to caveat that: I'm sure I'm not the first person to ask about this!

> you still see improvements

This is expected if they are training their models on it, right?

> objectively-bad results

Keen to learn when this has been the case, i.e. across version increments in major models.

simonw 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I've written about this a couple of times, most notably here: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Nov/13/training-for-pelicans-...

I've been enjoying seeing how the quality of individual models differ based on the amount of reasoning effort you give them. If they were baking an a good pelican you wouldn't expect them to differ so much.

(Google Gemini are the only lab that have very clearly paid attention to the quality of SVG animals-riding-vehicles, see their announcement for Gemini 3.1: https://twitter.com/JeffDean/status/2024525132266688757 )

sarreph 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Amazing, thank you Simon! Look forward to reading.

38484858 2 hours ago | parent [-]

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llm_nerd 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I honestly assumed their comment was tongue in cheek humour, because positively no one actually cares how these models generate an SVG pelican riding a bicycle. It's some meme thing that this stuff always appears here.

BrokenCogs 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah this is not a real benchmark, it's just a fun tradition everytime a new model is released

pelipost123 2 hours ago | parent [-]

"fun" / boringly predictable meme thread with 30+ replies already