| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago |
| > If you knew the restrictions day one you’d be able to engineer the system to accommodate them This slows down deploying the system globally. Particularly if the target is moving, it may make sense to build lightly so one can pivot, and then build in the compliance stuff after you know you have a winning configuration. The EU has its laws. Apple has its strategy. The only thing I fault anyone on is the public bickering. |
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| ▲ | dylan604 an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| If Apple is so pro-privacy like they claim, then they'd look for the most strict international privacy laws and abide by them. Then they could feel safe in knowing they could release the product anywhere. The fact they want to make the product available under the "rules" of the least privacy protecting countries first says a lot to me |
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| ▲ | 1123581321 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | DMA is a not a privacy-oriented law. | | | |
| ▲ | thaumasiotes 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > If Apple is so pro-privacy like they claim, then they'd look for the most strict international privacy laws and abide by them. Then they could feel safe in knowing they could release the product anywhere. Those are not equivalent statements. You're assuming that privacy is a one-dimensional quantity, so that anything that complies with "the strictest international privacy laws" automatically also complies with any other privacy laws. But this is not actually true. It can easily be the case that every national law allows some set of behavior (different sets for different legal systems), at the same time that the intersection of all those sets is empty. | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | DMA is about competition, not privacy. Apple weren’t requesting a GDPR waiver. | | |
| ▲ | inetknght an hour ago | parent [-] | | So Apple doesn't want to compete? Cry me a river. I could almost feel sympathy if it were something to do with some contract that Apple signed with their AI provider. Who's that, Google? Ahh, a "competitor"? Yeah... cry me a river. |
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| ▲ | jefftk 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Laws and strategy are not fixed, and public bickering is part of how they get optimized. |
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| ▲ | lxgr 37 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Nothing usually gets fixed by making belligerent appeals to emotion in the court of public opinion (which, in the EU, isn't nearly rooting for Apple as much as they might imagine, fwiw). If you want to launch something in a market you know to be heavily regulated, you figure it out or you don't launch. Sure, drop a hint here and there when asked in interviews about your product strategy, but you generally don't pick a public fight with the regulator or legislator in question. Just imagine a European bank publishing a press release about how onerous the US credit card consumer protection laws are, or a Japanese car maker publicly whining about European car safety testing protocols delaying the market release of some of their models. Apple really is behaving in a very unusual way here. And even though I don't like the implication of this (the law should not disadvantage anyone purely for being critical of it), I can't help but wonder how many fewer pages the DMA would be if Apple had engaged with its predecessors in good faith instead. | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That’s fair. Apple bickers in the EU and U.S. It doesn’t in China. I have a clear preference for one set of political systems. | | |
| ▲ | square_usual an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | They aren't releasing it in China either. | | |
| ▲ | seanmcdirmid an hour ago | parent [-] | | Yet. But they are probably working with Chinese partners (including the government) on releasing something (maybe with Alibaba models instead of Google models, on a Chinese-local cloud rather than google cloud). |
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| ▲ | catlikesshrimp 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | As I understood it, you prefer systems with less freedom of speech. | |
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| ▲ | baq 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Then don’t deploy it for Pete’s sake if you can’t guarantee basic privacy. |
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| ▲ | Forgeties79 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I imagine complying with all kinds of laws and regulations slows releases in some way or another and having none of them would allow people to ship faster, so what makes these EU regulations so distinct? Do what you have to do to comply with the law and release, as always. |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > complying with all kinds of laws delays release in some way or another and having none of them would allow people to ship faster, so what makes these EU regulations so distinct? DMA was designed to be a comprehensive regulatory suite. Lawmakers knew it would be onerous; that’s why it only applies to large companies. Also, the DMA’s interoperability requirement creates external partners. Let’s face it, Apple’s track record with Siri sucks. If they launch a system and it is crap again, they may not now want an entire ecosystem of folks who will cry foul if they dump the API and start over. > Do what you have to do to comply with the law and release, as always Just follow the law. If that means not releasing in a jurisdiction, do that and then don’t tweet snotty things about it. (Siri AI isn’t launching in China, either. I don’t see PMs complaining about that in public.) | | |
| ▲ | Forgeties79 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | No one complains (out loud) about US regulations either. Ultimately it’s about the weight you can throw as well as PR. Probably easier for Apple to make the EU look bad and drag their feet on it. I imagine they’re still not thrilled about the Lightening->USB-C change | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > No one complains (out loud) about US regulations either Everyone constantly does! | | |
| ▲ | nkozyra an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > Everyone constantly does! In the aggregate, I agree, but in tech things are pretty loose outside of California. | |
| ▲ | Forgeties79 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | The same way they constantly do and don’t about the Chinese government I’d say. |
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